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Posted by: 3times_2UA

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Posted by: Longfellow

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Originally Posted by 3times_2UA

Hello all, this is my first post here as a newbie, if I bend the rules some please forgive me. I'm looking for someone who possibly had contact or a relationship with Viktoriya from Kamenets Podolskiy Ukraine. She has used these other names Victoria, Victoriya, Viktoria, Vicka and Vika. All are variants of her birth name.. She is 31 years old and has a daughter.
I began communicating by email with Viktoriya and met her in person last year and then again this year. She currently wants me to file the K1 visa for her and I have an ongoing relationship with her.
I've had many experiences with her, some good, some bad. I've also found some inconsistencies in her stories about her life and relationships.
I searched the scam sites and she is not on any, also ran a Google on her and only found her profiles approximately 5 years old, never the less still posted. It gives me the impression she has been at this for some time without success.
I’m curious if anyone has any knowledge about her that could possibly help solve some of the mystery she surrounds herself in. I just can’t help but feel I don’t know the whole truth about this lady, maybe I never will. With her child and my child involved, I can’t risk a mistake.
If anyone could help I would greatly appreciate it. You may contact me directly ( PM ) in case you wish not to post. I'm just searching for some answers and the truth. thanks

Very little can we isolated people do to help but offer generic advice.
If there are unusaul sentences in emails, with odd syntax or spelling, try doing google search on those.
It is always recommended that people reporting scammers post all email templates they recieve. You have a much better chance to match those than a name or photo (both are easily falsified). but that is not definitive of ways that unscrupulous people behave. You have to be smart, be careful and listen to that little voice inside (not the one from south of your belt).
I know this is no solid answer. Often there isn't one.
Bottom line, you must trust your instincts to some degree... if there are doubts still... probably you two aren't ready.
Stay in touch. Many excellent people here to share their experience and hope with you.

Posted by: EasyTarget

3Times:
You didn't break any rules, and it is wise to ask questions.

However my first question would be -- have you asked her about the mysteries or inconsistencies with her life?
You have met her twice what is your gut telling you?

I can understand your need to be cautious, but don't allow caution to run to paranoia unless there is good cause.

I don't know the woman and couldn't even imagine what the issues only you know that. However I would say that there can always be confusion because of the subtleties of the English language.

Maybe it is time to sit down and write out the little things that are bothering you. And then address them with her one by one. A calm, non-confrontational tone would be key to the discussion. A good heart to heart can help remove your doubts and build lots of trust. I am sure she would prefer to have things out in the open in an honest discussion.

Just my $0.02 but what do I know?

Posted by: firemansam

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Originally Posted by 3times_2UA

snip.... It gives me the impression she has been at this for some time without success.

I have seen many profiles on the likes of EM's that have been floating around the "most popular" for over 2 years! I can only assume that they have very definate ideas on their perfect "soul mate." (Not that this is a bad thing because who wants to marry the wrong person??)

But if you are not sure... My advice is to proceed with due caution and you won't find yourself burnt in the future.

Nothing new in that advice...

Sam.

Posted by: 3times_2UA

Hello, I want to thank all those who have posted messages and their kind words. I have been very busy at work. This weekend I hope to get to write more on this story. If not in this thread possibly a new thread. I have some interesting thoughts for the vetern and newbie involved with FSU ladies. This has been more than an adventure for me, it has been very emotionally draining. More to come......

Posted by: 3times_2UA

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Originally Posted by Longfellow

Hello Longfellow
Thank you for the language lesson in the other thread. You are never too old to learn ;-))
Would like to comment about your post in this thread.
Good advice to think with the big head instead of the little one. I was taught this lesson the first go around.
First of all, I care very much for this lady and her daughter.
I didn’t want to indicate she was this or that.
In so many men’s minds the definition of a scam is usually money related only. Possibly there are other ways to obtain the same result.
It is hard to say, let’s face the facts. The traditional scammer as we know her/him has become educated in the use of the internet for a source of information, just as we do.
Rule of thumb, don’t send anyone money you haven’t met. Golden rule right? How can you be sure after a personal meeting it won’t happen ?..again don’t send money.
How about those of us with kind hearts? When you see first hand their way of day to day living. Does it make one more or less venerable to a degree?
Biggest question, if there is a child involved with needs, can anyone out there say they would not help?
I believe God has a plan, who am I to question it?
If there are people out there calling me a fool. Ok then I will accept it.
I will say with conviction, I cannot see a child suffer, mine, yours, anyone’s----- it is not in my character.
Can I ask this, could you place a value on your feelings?

Posted by: 3times_2UA

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Originally Posted by firemansam

Sam.

Hello Sam
You are correct in your statement about marrying the wrong person, no argument here from this end.
On the other hand, this is not the first Ukrainian lady I have met with. Decided to take a break after the first one and when I returned to the net , found the same ladies on these sites from years before.
Having a curious mind, I thought how many men from all over the globe have these ladies met? Why are they still here if they want a husband and a family? Especially if their profile indicates this is primary desires.
I understand holding out for the “soul mate” but the “perfect mate”? I may be somewhat jaded in my opinion at this point, do these people really exist? I have always thought of life as a compromise. Have a set of ideas in a mate that are most important and overlook the small shortcomings. Possibly I am wrong, totally.
I have tried to go slowly and be keenly aware of the ups and downs of a long distance relationship.
Thanks for the advice.

Posted by: 3times_2UA

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Originally Posted by EasyTarget

3Times:
You didn't break any rules, and it is wise to ask questions.

However my first question would be -- have you asked her about the mysteries or inconsistencies with her life?
You have met her twice what is your gut telling you?

I can understand your need to be cautious, but don't allow caution to run to paranoia unless there is good cause.

I don't know the woman and couldn't even imagine what the issues only you know that. However I would say that there can always be confusion because of the subtleties of the English language.

Maybe it is time to sit down and write out the little things that are bothering you. And then address them with her one by one. A calm, non-confrontational tone would be key to the discussion. A good heart to heart can help remove your doubts and build lots of trust. I am sure she would prefer to have things out in the open in an honest discussion.

Just my $0.02 but what do I know?

Hello ET
Thank you for your interest and ideas.

To answer your question…..yes I have asked her about the inconsistencies and the mysteries. I really didn’t get a solid answer from her.

Good example, why the father of the child is not around. I know you’re probably thinking why is this important. It would be a good indicator of her level of commitment to a relationship. I did get multiple answers, the first I could accept without question and sleep at night. The second ..so, so, but the third, I had a real problem with. I don’t want to go into great detail here.

When asked about past relationships, the answers are somewhat scattered. I have been told this is a taboo question to ask FSU ladies. OK fair is fair, if she can quiz me about my life, friends, ex and divorce, then why can’t I ask the same of her?

I would agree with anyone the past is the past and cannot be changed. It is only when it becomes part of the present it becomes a problem.

I first thought possibly there were some serious language barriers. This lady does speak some English. I am not 100 % sure how well she understands what is being said. Many times I have tried to verify she does indeed have a clue what is being said or ask of her. Usually the answer is yes.

I have tried the question approach in every possible way known to man. Very low key, sincere, non-confrontational manner as possible. She always becomes defensive, complains about it and usually gets upset. It is hard to explain, she is a very private person and views anything of this nature as an intrusion into her personal life. Contends I don’t understand her and her life. I will admit I don’t live in the Ukraine, I have however been there, met many people and tried hard to study their lives and culture.

Maybe I need to ask a question of the veterans here. Are all Ukrainian ladies this confrontational? What I am trying politely to say is, I have taken a pretty severe tongue lashing on many occasions. Sometimes she is downright rude. I am not accustomed to behavior like this. Seems to me she is a bubble waiting to burst at anything.

I don’t believe it is paranoia, I have my reasons for my thoughts.

You have asked after two meetings my gut feeling? What do I know? I was willing to accept her as she is, richer or poorer, sickness and in health, you get the idea. I can’t put my finger on it, some things just don‘t add up.

This is my opinion, possibly she just doesn’t like me, won’t tell me this though. So it remains a mystery to me.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

I have never met a woman from the FSU that did not speak her mind. However, I believe that if she isn't telling you answers to your questions, then something isn't right. I learned this from my first relationship with a RW. I would guess that she is hiding something, possibly another man is intersted in her and has visited on occassion. Sort of, doesn't want to committ to you because she has a better prospect waiting in the wings. This is what happened to me.

I'm not saying this is what is happening to you but it is a possiblity. I think she is hiding something though. She shouldn't be defensie about questions you ask if they are similar questions she asks you.

Good luck but be careful.

Posted by: 3times_2UA

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

I have never met a woman from the FSU that did not speak her mind. However, I believe that if she isn't telling you answers to your questions, then something isn't right. I learned this from my first relationship with a RW. I would guess that she is hiding something, possibly another man is intersted in her and has visited on occassion. Sort of, doesn't want to committ to you because she has a better prospect waiting in the wings. This is what happened to me.

I'm not saying this is what is happening to you but it is a possiblity. I think she is hiding something though. She shouldn't be defensie about questions you ask if they are similar questions she asks you.

Good luck but be careful.

Hello again GTR

Yes, I agree with your possible scenario of another man.

I have felt her level of commitment has not been even close to mine. I have no back up plan. After we met last year and she told me she wanted to come to the states to be with me, I stopped all correspondence with all other ladies. It has remained this way throughout the entire relationship.

If indeed this is case with her, she has other options, why keep stringing me along? Saying to me she wants to be here?

Even the agency owner suggested I might want to look at other ladies due to her attitude towards me.

I may get a little off subject here------
What happened to the plain simple truth? Does it escape these ladies of the FSU? Or is this just a way of life for them?
I have met dozens of UA ladies, in general I was impressed with them.
The two I chose, I must say were so close to our ladies here in the USA, it would be hard to tell them apart in a crowd. For example, their attitude, actions, they way they present themselves.
Where are the ladies with the traditional values, let me be more specific. Family and home first, instead of career and monetary gain. With this experience, I am beginning to think… it very well may be a myth. They do not exist, of course I realize there are good and bad people everywhere in this world, male and female.

IMHO, would be much simpler to just tell the truth.
The things I have written here is only a small sample of the total picture. If you would like to PM me I will be more specific

Posted by: AkMike

I asked my wife who is from Ukraine about this "taboo" of asking about past relationships. It's not true. She said that if this woman was really interested in a relationship with you she'd ask questions and answer questions.. Fair is fair!
There is a possibility that she's after a green card to the US and not up front $$$$. I have never been scolded about anything so far.. We had alot of problems with the language barrier but with a phrase book, a dictionary and ALOT of patience we have managed thru the inital meetings. Now we have a solid marriage IMO.

Posted by: 3times_2UA

Hi AKMIKE
Thanks for the words of wisdom from both you and your other half.

The idea about the relationship questions, both past and present came from a Ukrainian. I thought this was sort of an odd take about honesty in a relationship, just forget anything and everything and don't ask about it.

Don't get me wrong, she has asked her fair share of questions. Not questions I would expect in a serious relationship. FYI I am referring to certain questions we all would expect from a future wife.

To make sure she knew I was honest about my answers to her, I even offered to let her ask friends, family and so on, to verify the things I told her was correct.
I wanted her to hear all sides of the story.

About being a GCG, anything is possible.

Posted by: AkMike

People are people no matter the country of their birth. Tanya was more honest with my questions about her and her life than any woman I dated in the US and Canada. I did the same. She liked the fact that when she asked about something a second or third time the answer was the same every time. ( she 'tested' me also)
Have you met her friends? I say that you can judge a person by the quality of their friends. I was trested like royalty by her friends when I met them. Some were quite poor but they rolled out the red carpet for us..
There is something that is being avoided here that leads to more questions. Be wary of this woman IMO..

Posted by: 3times_2UA

Hello again AKMIKE
You are correct--- people are the same everywhere in this world. Don’t buy into the whole cultural differences ideas they sell to you.

Yes ,I did meet her friends, some of them. I will say they were friendly enough, at first.

Let me explain----we traveled to see them in a small village and they were not rich by any means. Their house was very nice and well kept. I loved this area and would like to live there, it is very beautiful. They did “roll out the red carpet” as you have said. I met the neighbors and relatives of these people, all of them were very nice to me.

This is some of my fondest memories of my trip.

When we went to bed , everything was fine and the host even set a doll in my room resembling my lady so I would not get lonely in the night ;-))))

Oddly enough it seemed their whole attitude changed over night and became distant.

I found myself locked in my room and needing to go to WC. I don’t believe they did this to me, instead my lady friend----- probably. There was someone going out of the house in the wee hours of the morning, I heard the door closing. The host had to get up and let me out of the room to go to WC, she was very friendly to me ,always smiling.

My lady was last to rise and took forever to get ready that day. I waited and waited for her and decided to go and see what was keeping her. She even seemed to be distant and was more concerned with her looks than anything else.

The longer the day went, the less friendly they became, until I felt an outsider. To me it seemed their hostility was directed towards her and I could not understand it. Honestly, because I don’t speak Russian or Ukrainian, I didn’t understand what was going on between them.

I can only say they we staring at me, with this very pitiful look, as if to feel sorry for me.

I say their hostility was directed to her because when we parted company, the hosts ( man and woman) both hugged me and invited me back anytime.

This is my HO about it.

I did meet one relative early on in our communication. Her words of wisdom to me? “GOOD LUCK” Kind of gives you a warm feeling doesn’t it.

This is not my imagination. The host was surprised to find me locked in my room from the outside. She readily woke up and let me out. It really upset me to be honest, I had shown no signs of aggression to anyone.

Posted by: AkMike

This sounds like something out of a Hitchcock movie.
Run DO NOT walk to the nearest exit!

Posted by: bushman

Do you think you might have had quite enough warning signs by now, I get the feeling you already know what you plan to do next but would like some support and understanding of your position.
Reading through your emails does suggest several red flags and you have been very understand and patient, you are the only one who can make the decision, but I know what I would do.

Best of luck and I am sure you will have happier days to come.

Posted by: Raspberry

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

Not saying enough is definitely a "red flag" in my book. Especially after the experience I had with Tatyana. Not telling ALL of the truth is no better than lying!!

Posted by: 3times_2UA

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Originally Posted by AkMike

This sounds like something out of a Hitchcock movie.
Run DO NOT walk to the nearest exit!

Sure seemed like something unreal. I thought WTH is this?
Anyway, I still have fond memories of the country and the people there.
They are very different from the big city type.
Yes I believe it is past time to exit.

Posted by: 3times_2UA

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Originally Posted by bushman

Do you think you might have had quite enough warning signs by now, I get the feeling you already know what you plan to do next but would like some support and understanding of your position.
Reading through your emails does suggest several red flags and you have been very understand and patient, you are the only one who can make the decision, but I know what I would do.

Best of luck and I am sure you will have happier days to come.

Hello bushman !!
Thank you for the kind words of support. Happier days may be a ways off, they will come------ some time I'm sure.
"red flags"--- yes ,I've had enough to start a convention.
To answer your question/response. I came here to this forum seeking knowledge and some sound advice from the experienced .
Yes, of course some support from the trenches would be great, this is a difficult time for me.
I thought I was pretty savvy when it came right down to it. I found out I'm still learning daily.
I also had hopes if there possibly was another person out there with some knowledge of this lady, it would give them a heads up of what to expect from her.

Posted by: 3times_2UA

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

Not saying enough is definitely a "red flag" in my book. Especially after the experience I had with Tatyana. Not telling ALL of the truth is no better than lying!!

Hi Raspberry
I am not familiar with your experiences with Tatyana.
All I can say IMHO--- lying is lying no matter how they choose to disperse their view of the truth.

Using the cultural difference excuses, you don't understand me line, on and on ,gets real old fast.

The worst thing is the multiple versions of the same story. I guess it's up to us to choose which one is the truth?

Posted by: Longfellow

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Originally Posted by 3times_2UA

I know exactly what you mean in this. i have gone through it.
And when rexplaining by them opens more gaffs in the story, they say, maybe my english is not so perfect.
ya painimayiu - you and the other!!!

Posted by: EasyTarget

3x_UA:
I don't know about the taboo about asking about prior relationships. Sure you don't ask sexual questions -- fav position and such -- until you are at that point. I have asked and been asked numerous questions about past relationships.
Mainly to ask is it really over, am I serious, etc...She shouldn't go into lots of detail about past relationships, but she should be 100% honest when asked a direct question.

Well I would have to say, don't let one bad apple spoil things for you. Now you know what to look for, and are wiser in the future.

best of luck to you in your decision and in the future.

Posted by: 3times_2UA

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Originally Posted by Longfellow

Maybe my English not so perfect, maybe you don't understand me---sounds like a broken record to me.

Of course when the story changes and you question it, "you are too attentive" is usually the response.

Posted by: 3times_2UA

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Originally Posted by EasyTarget

3x_UA:
I don't know about the taboo about asking about prior relationships. Sure you don't ask sexual questions -- fav position and such -- until you are at that point. I have asked and been asked numerous questions about past relationships.
Mainly to ask is it really over, am I serious, etc...She shouldn't go into lots of detail about past relationships, but she should be 100% honest when asked a direct question.

Well I would have to say, don't let one bad apple spoil things for you. Now you know what to look for, and are wiser in the future.

best of luck to you in your decision and in the future.

ET

Maybe I need to clarify the past relationships comment.

I don't mean anything related to sex or the positions.

Simply, good example, the father of the child. Is he still around? Where?

I never assume anything without good cause-----when I'm being told ( by her I might add ) I had lunch or dinner with @3%$ ( man of course ) or she lets it slip she is getting some support from ??? ( again man) The degree of support has yet to be determined. I had to ask myself a question WTF ?? and her the same.

This would lead to, are you in a relationship there in your country?

I was told, you don't understand our relationship is different than the relationship we have.

Stand in my shoes here for a minute. Opposite sides of the globe, trying hard to trust her and her level of honesty about the situation.......I don't go out with ladies here, I don't have them for a support network.

Sure I have friends whom are married. I don't place myself in a situation where I am alone with their wife, period. It's a bad idea !!

Then again I was told " It's Ukrainia, tis normal " or "you are wrong about it"

Posted by: 3times_2UA

Hello to all !!! Again thanks for the advice and support.

I feel it is only fair to report this relationship is now over.
Possibly many different reasons for this outcome. Could be these posts…..more than likely it was the fact she never developed feelings for me, despite her words “ I want to be with you” and we just didn’t see eye to eye.

What ever the reason, I wish her the best, as I am sure somewhere in this world there is a man willing to tolerate her inconsistencies and overlook the details.

I might add--- this comes on the heels of a phone call from her to the agency owner involved. I guess the agency was able to do the task I wasn’t.

I had tried to reach her for about two weeks to let her know in a personal conversation this relationship was not working. I did finally get to talk with her briefly and she was so upset it wasn’t possible to get the point across. Too busy fussing about this and that, you know the drill.
I thought better of it and decided to try again some time later, little did I know it would be our last conversation.

I have a heart and I feel it is very impersonal to send a “Dear John” letter. After all ,we had been in communication for over a year and spent over a month together in the Ukraine.

I am very sad to say the only way I could convey my feelings to her was by email and SMS since she elected not to answer the phone.

I will miss the little girl very, very much… she is a sweetheart, little spoiled by mommy, but still a lovely, delightful child.

Words of wisdom for all you prospective FSU wife hunters------
You never really know the degree of sincerity of any of these ladies ,number one.

Never and I repeat NEVER, send money to them. Even if they don’t ask for it and especially if they do !!!
Secondly, remember one thing…..even if they are living in a cardboard box, they still were surviving before you came into the picture and will continue to survive after you are long gone. I am sorry if this sounds heartless and cold, it is a simple fact.

Remember, you cannot buy love or respect, only a fool believes otherwise.

Call me an idiot, possibly I should have ended it sooner?
Nobody was standing in my position and could see first hand or hear what was happening. Remember there was a child involved whom became attached to me and I the same with her.

All my best to her, she has asked me to forgive her.....God's rule is... I must !!

Posted by: AkMike

Now get back to fishing for the right one. There are other ones that will be a better match.

Posted by: 3times_2UA

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Originally Posted by AkMike

Now get back to fishing for the right one. There are other ones that will be a better match.

Thanks Bro!!
I am already working on it. Have a few friends trying to help this time......maybe the result can be different.
Peace to all !!

Posted by: GoingToRussia

If it was meant to be you would still be together. Don't think you're heartless and I sure the breakup was for the best. My "marriage" to a RW ended in divorce but it was for the best, she never arrived in the USA. I have found a Moldovian woman that I completely trust and can rely on. She takes good care of me and makes me happy.

Your someone is out there, if you want I can hook you up with a woman who is about 41 and has an 18 year old son. Not sure what your age is so it might be a little older then your looking for. Let me know if your interested.

Good luck with your search and your next adventure.

Posted by: EasyTarget

3X_UA: There is no perfect breakup. It happens. Like you said you didn't feel her feelings for you were true...so it is best to end it.

Now on the bright side. You got to visit UA, you can see the potential in a relationship, and you are a lot wiser about any future relationships, with American or foreign women.

Take a breather...clear your head...and throw you line back in the water.

Wishing you much success in the future.

Posted by: 3times_2UA

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia

If it was meant to be you would still be together. Don't think you're heartless and I sure the breakup was for the best. My "marriage" to a RW ended in divorce but it was for the best, she never arrived in the USA. I have found a Moldovian woman that I completely trust and can rely on. She takes good care of me and makes me happy.

Your someone is out there, if you want I can hook you up with a woman who is about 41 and has an 18 year old son. Not sure what your age is so it might be a little older then your looking for. Let me know if your interested.

Good luck with your search and your next adventure.

Hi GTR

Thank you for the support. I am very glad I joined this forum !! I didn't know this many men have similiar experiences with FSU ladies as me. This has been a real learning curve to say the least.

I am thinking, it would seem, the result is not what I wanted, probably for the best though. It is very hard when I think about my trips and time with her to believe it could all end like this. Life is full of ups and downs......much like a roller coaster.

I will PM you about the other offer sometime later and let you know more about me.

I was thinking more and more about leaving the Ukrainian ladies alone and trying some other FSU ladies. Only a thought!!

Posted by: 3times_2UA

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Originally Posted by EasyTarget

3X_UA: There is no perfect breakup. It happens. Like you said you didn't feel her feelings for you were true...so it is best to end it.

Now on the bright side. You got to visit UA, you can see the potential in a relationship, and you are a lot wiser about any future relationships, with American or foreign women.

Take a breather...clear your head...and throw you line back in the water.

Wishing you much success in the future.

ET

You are correct, never is an easy way to let someone go.... worst part of it,,, the memories and the idea "could I have done anything differently"

Yes I did enjoy my visits to the UA, it was worth the price of admission alone!!! I really like the people there and the country. I have seen some very beautiful places.

I believe it would be prudent to let my feelings settle, mind clear, heart heal.....and dive back in again.

Thank you for the kind words.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Well the girl I have in mind is from the Ukraine. I woudn't like a country bother you. My fiancee is from Moldova. I didn't pick this country, I just saw her eyes and WOW!!! The rest was bonus.

My wife was from Russia so country doesn't really matter. She ended up being a 2 timer.

Good luck with your next adventure and your welcome for the support. If I can help let me know. I'll be around on a consistant basis for at least another moth before my fiancee arrives.

Take care!

Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by 3times_2UA

I asked myself the same question many times, ".. could I have done something different". The answer was no. You can't change a person's mind and benefit from it because they will always regret that they didn't listen to their first instinct. Then they blame you for there problems and troubles.

As far as memories go, hold on to them. They are great and part of your life! You just have to cut the girl from the memory. Remember what you did and saw in a foreign country, not what you did with the girl went to see. It is why I tell people who meet someone for the first time, go with the mind set of a vacation ... not to meet your future bride. If thigs don't work out then you can say it was a great vacation! I know expectations are high when visiting a girl for the first time but everyone must realize that not all meetings are great.

I waited about 3 weeks after my Russian wife said she wanted a divorce before I started lookin again. I'm glad I didn't wait any longer because I would have missed out of a great woman who has a wonderful son. I hope for a Vegas wedding sometime in December.

Good luck to you 3 Times and don't give up ... get back on that "horse" real soon.

Posted by: Longfellow

You know the saying, "If life gives you lemons, make lemonade."

I like to say, "After you finish your drink, plant the seeds and grow a lemon tree. Then you can make lemonade whenever you want and you don't have to wait for life to hand out produce!"

Posted by: AkMike

Ukraine is full of people both good and bad. Don't let the tarnished image of one woman stain the country.
The finest women in the world aren't in Ukraine, they're from Ukraine!

Posted by: Chrismc

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Originally Posted by AkMike

The finest women in the world aren't in Ukraine, they're from Ukraine!

Well said Mike and I am so happy I have just found one of them

Posted by: 3times_2UA

I will post some more thoughts about this and your comments a little later.

I need to let the dust settle and pick myself up after this train wreck.

Thanks to all whom have shown love and concern for me, it is somewhat a humbling experience.

Posted by: AkMike

Don't feel like the 'Lone Ranger'. It's happened before and it will rear it's ugly head again! Learn by your experience and get on with your quest. The real everyday women that you'll meet there are 1st class ladies. Just be wary of the not so 1st class women that are out to get what they can while the getting is good.
I know it was a fluke that I found/met my wife and she is the best woman that I've ever met anywhere.
It's funny, I spent so many years looking around in my backyard for her and finally I found her hiding on the other side of the earth. I should have looked there 30 years ago!

Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by AkMike

It's funny, I spent so many years looking around in my backyard for her and finally I found her hiding on the other side of the earth. I should have looked there 30 years ago!

Can't agree with you more on this Mike ... except 30 years ago you would have to change your name to Mishka!

Posted by: Chrismc

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I have sent you an email

Chris