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Mormons??? (re: the Mormon religion and a Russian-Western relationship/marriage)
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Posted by: mila

How to find out if he is mormon?
Is it too terrible or not?
Thanks.

Posted by: Khashyar

Hi Mila...

In American culture, it is o.k. to ask someone what there religion is, as well as what their specific religious beliefs are...

Americans are more used to open conversations and questions (more than many other cultures)...

The Mormon religion isn't that bad, thought I would just ask him about his beliefs in a casual way...

Mormons have some beliefs about not drinking alcohol or drinking caffeine (and other dietary beliefs)...

But, I have met some Mormons who ahve generally been nice people...

Tell us more about your circumstances if you would like

Khashyar

Posted by: mila

Hello Khashyar!
It is not my circumstances. My friend corresponds with the man from Idaho.
She is baptist and in the beginning of their correspondence she has asked about his belief. He has told that he is attending church, but he he has not answered particularly. He has told that will tell about it when they will meet.
I do not see the reasons to hide belief. Therefore there are some suspicions. It would be desirable to find out it not offending him.

Posted by: Bordric

Quote:

Originally posted by mila
Hello Khashyar!
It is not my circumstances. My friend corresponds with the man from Idaho.
She is baptist and in the beginning of their correspondence she has asked about his belief. He has told that he is attending church, but he he has not answered particularly. He has told that will tell about it when they will meet.
I do not see the reasons to hide belief. Therefore there are some suspicions. It would be desirable to find out it not offending him.

She should ask him right up front to not hide such important things. He may well be Mormon or any other of the plentiful religions in the Western USA. Idaho he could be anything.

Mormons are something of a strange lot to me. They have strange beliefs in how to live. Same with Seventh Day people. Now I hold nothing against religion but some of these people will clash right off with a new culture I think. She should really learn more before diving into the shallow end.

But then it is only my opinion and I do not know either party so it is only speculation. But I would be careful of anyone who hides such things.

And by the way Khashyar is very correct in his post. She should ask him again. Mainly because sometimes people do not even practice religion and it is easier to explain later or in person. It may be as innocent as that.

Posted by: mila

But on the other hand, if the mormon will search for the wife on internet?

Posted by: Bordric

Quote:

Originally posted by mila
But on the other hand, if the mormon will search for the wife on internet?

Yes but there are always Sunday Christians.

They really are not bad, they just have ways they chose to live, which is not unhealthy, but I think some of them believe in having more then one wife. I doubt that is the case though, he may think she will run off if he says he is mormon and wants a chance to explain.

Maybe I am not helping... I am sorry but in the end I would say there is no need for someone to hide their religion unless they will clash with the person they wish to meet or they are ashamed of it.

Also if it is important she should ask, I have never known an American to take offense for asking about their religion.

Posted by: Castlestormer

My Russian language classes at the University are innundated with Mormons who are learning the language so they can go to Russia and evangelize. They have a seriously strong push in Russia right now.

Baptist and Mormons mix like oil and water. I think it will be a big deal. And I'm not Mormon by the way. I personally think they are a cult. But everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Posted by: Bordric

I grew up in Southern Baptist Church. I do not like it either, but I can tell you that Mormon and Baptist are not a good mix.

But I think it may not be fair to assume he is Mormon because he is from Idaho which is close to the Mormon capital in Utah. He could be any religion there or none at all and feel he needs to explain that. I am honest myself about the whole thing and want it known up front. I am agnostic, but I have lots of tolerance for others beliefs. But I do not think I could handle a Mormon lady, it would drive me nuts.

I like Catholics myself, drink and raise hell all week and ask for forgivness on Sunday.

Just kidding guys.

Posted by: Jutman

The mormoms is a global belief and thefor also here in Denmark. The times I have seen mormom dating add, they never hide it.

I don't like it myself this belief, but I don't like they try to impose their belief at other people.

They funny part is many of the people who ring the doorbell* is americans from Brigham Uni. in Utah and they have learn some Danish. However they accept a no.

* some years ago, before I was introduced to my GF, some VERY pretty mormoms girls rang the doorbell. It almost could have 'converted' me.

Posted by: bdoug71

Most religions were created some where. I am a Mormon. Please feel free to ask me any questions you like. I spent 2 years as a missionary for my church working with English, Spanish, Tongan and Chinese people. I love to talk to people about religion but I do not like to cram it down anyones throat. So before this gets into a third person I heard converstaion please, feel free to ask me and if it is something I can answer I will do my best. But please do not throw supposition and what you believe the mormons are or what you have heard from your friends,brother, mother, hairdresser. Please just ask a Mormon ( or as we prefer a Latter-day Saint) The proper name of the Church is the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints.

Bruce D

So long and thanks for all the Fish

Posted by: rtking

To be honest, I know many Mormon (aka "LDS") faith people and I have to admit that they are very ethical people. There's a strong bond between families and the church, and the community will gather together to help a church member who is in need. (Literally to the point of providing house and food for them until they're able to sustain for themselves.)

I think it was important for me (Jesuit Catholic) to learn about many religions. It was something that I had to do to satisfy my curiosity. What I've found is that there is a very large component of most popular religions that have a common base... usually all Old Testament. But from there, the differences begin. And those differences are really small IMHO. After that, I've adopted (and stand by) the phrase, "One God, One People."

As for whether to ask if a person's Mormon, Lutheran, Catholic, Christian or whatever... I think that's a valid question. But I also believe that "worship is worship"... meaning that it's the same God, so how you speak to Him (and what language you speak to Him in) really doesn't matter.

Of course, just my $0.02!

Bob

Posted by: bdoug71

Bordric "but I think some of them believe in having more then one wife." No.. If there is a member known practicing Polygamy the are ex communicated. It is a practice that we had back in the late 1800's when Mormon men were being executed by the people of Missouri. We no longer practice that. If you meet a "Mormon" who does practice that then they are not a member of the church.. Plain and simple.

Sean "once when I was driving in san Diego I saw a beautiful moron temple and thought that I would like to check it out. I was met at the front gate by a church member that properly told me NO visitors." I am sorry to hear that. There should have been a visitors center that would have told you more about the temple and what it is used for. But just so you know not every member of the church can go to the temple either. We consider it a very sacred place in which we do ceramonies (such as marrage). But the visitors center should have had pictures and allowed you to tour the grounds around the Temple.

CastleStormer "My Russian language classes at the University are innundated with Mormons who are learning the language so they can go to Russia and evangelize. They have a seriously strong push in Russia right now. Baptist and Mormons mix like oil and water. I think it will be a big deal. And I'm not Mormon by the way. I personally think they are a cult. But everyone is entitled to their opinion." Actually the push is not just in Russia it is all over the world. But Missionary work is a major focus of our church (geneology would be the other focus) I lived most of my life in Florida and Oklahoma, I do not think it is Baptists and Mormons.. It is more Southern Baptists and Mormons do not mix

. But I think that they could get along if they work at it as well. I only had death threats up until people got to know me then they just offered to take me to the Baptist church.

Bordric "But I think it may not be fair to assume he is Mormon because he is from Idaho which is close to the Mormon capital in Utah. He could be any religion there or none at all and feel he needs to explain that. I am honest myself about the whole thing and want it known up front. I am agnostic, but I have lots of tolerance for others beliefs. But I do not think I could handle a Mormon lady, it would drive me nuts." They are alot of non-Mormons in Idaho. Heck Northern Idaho has very few Mormons living there. And yes Salt Lake City is the Headquaters to the LDS Church but even Salt Lake City is only %50 Mormon if that so there is a good chance someone from SLC is a Non-member as well. In southern Utah it is about %80 LDS so the Chances are greater but it is not certain.

Jutman "They funny part is many of the people who ring the doorbell* is americans from Brigham Uni. in Utah and they have learn some Danish. However they accept a no." Brigham Young University is the only church sponsered school and so many younger LDS men and women go there for thier educations. But it is also a very highly rated school here in the US and has a very high academic prestige. And yes we will always accept no for an answer. We do not go on missions to force people to do anything. That is your choice to make

Sean "Just remember one thing, it was a relgion that was created in New York." What does a location for where something is founded have to do with anything.. The Lutheran Church was founded in Germany, The Roman Catholic founded in (you guessed it) Rome. The Greek Orthidox in Greece. The Baptists were founded in England in the 1600's. So where a church is from does not give it any more or any less relevance to wether it is true or not.

Bruce D

So long and thanks for all the Fish

Posted by: rtking

BDoug71... I had heard that there was an extremist sect of the LDS that actively pursue polygamy. (I forget the exact name of their order.) But as I understand it, polygamy is no longer encouraged in the teaching of the LDS. Am I correct?

Bob

Posted by: bdoug71

Bob,
"BDoug71... I had heard that there was an extremist sect of the LDS that actively pursue polygamy. (I forget the exact name of their order.) But as I understand it, polygamy is no longer encouraged in the teaching of the LDS. Am I correct?"

Actually the term is no longer tolerated. If they are Polygamists and then they are not considered LDS. They might call themselves Mormons but they are not a Member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. They could easily call themselves Catholic or Baptists but it does not mean that they are.

Also something I forgot to mention. When a religion was founded in the 1800's and I still believe it is around today The only way to define a church is Catholic, Protestant, or Cult. Cult is just a legal definition stating that We are not Catholic or from the Catholic reformation. "By its primary dictionary definition, the term cult just means a system of religious beliefs or rituals. It is based on a farming term in Latin meaning cultivation. Sociologists and anthropologists sometimes use the term cult to describe religious structure or belief patterns with meanings (usually non-pejorative) unique to their disciplines." It is only in modern usage that the term cult and occult have become synaminous.

Bruce D

So long and thanks for all the Fish

Posted by: Bordric

Hi Doug,

Take nothing I said personal, it is just life experience. Much of it wrong too as you have corrected.

I have heard if you want to know about your family history though they have the best repository in the world. But tell me what is the point of this? I know it is most likely innocent reasons but when people horde such information many times it becomes urban legend. I hear that only certain backgrounds are believed to be able to be pure Mormon or LDS, excuse me. Of course this is just some of the things that people make up I have no idea myself and I never really cared. I generally mind my own business most of the time.

But you may understand better knowing I grew up being preach hell-fire and brimstone in Southern Baptist churches. Which by the way turned me against it all, or not against just made me indifferent.

Of course I am generally not a rude person so it is hard for me to tell them to go away. So I listen and patiently nod my head. But that is bad because they tend to come back! I told one I was Catholic and that did not even make her miss a beat.

Of course I must admit it is a bit annoying to knock on my door unanounced and uninvited and start telling me of the lord and stuff. But for the most part they are good hearted I suppose but it is still rude in my opinion.

Posted by: bdoug71

Sean,

No offence was taken. I just wanted to let people know the truth before they make rash judgements. I have not been to the San Diego Temple but I understand it is a beautiful building. From my understanding though they should have let you walk the grounds or at least go into the visitors center. You should see the Salt Lake City temple or The Manti ( southern Utah) abosultely beautiful. Also when a new temple is built or an old one is renovated they will do a rededication but before that they will sometimes let the public tour the enterior of the temple before dedication.

Also I think you are refering to Navoo Illinios. That is pretty much when the Church was driven out of Missiouri and The Founder of the Church was murdered and Brigham Young was voted the next president of our church and it was decided to leave the US and Populate the Wastes of western Utah at the time. So yes very much like exodus

Good analogy. And thank you

Bruce D

So long and thanks for all the Fish

Posted by: ConnerVT

Quote:

Originally posted by sean mcgann
Just remember one thing, it was a relgion that was created in New York.

Yes, sean. But John Smith was born in Vermont.

Posted by: bdoug71

Bordric,

I took nothing personal as I have heard pretty much all of it most of my life. I just want people to understand different points of view and not to just accept something for the truth without hearing the other side of the story.

I will try to keep the answer simple for the purpose for Geneology. In my religion we believe that families will be together forever even after death. We do geneology to find these ancestors so that we can know them and do the ordinances in the temple ( such as Baptism and Marrage) for the people who have gone before us and so that we can be an eternal family.

I think that explains it the best I can.

Bruce D

Posted by: bdoug71

OMG, ConnerVT

Yes yes he was but he moved to NY when he was 8 or so years old. Thank you for that reminder Conner.

Also to answer a question from earlier. As LDS I would prefer to marry another LDS person but I am not stuck to that. I look for inner beauty and not just a trophy. I have lived away from Utah most of my life and have very rarely been able to date an LDS woman. ( I have to admit I was married to one and I went nuts Brodric). But I am open to most women as long as we both understand each other.

Bruce D

Posted by: mila

Please look at this church and tell what belief they are ? The girl from Russian forum who lives now in Utah has told that it is not similar on mormons
But baptists do not hang up portraits on walls

Posted by: mila

one more pic

Posted by: Bordric

Looks like it may be Jehovah Witness Church. The candle is a big thing with them.

Posted by: bdoug71

I have to say I have never seen a LDS church like that. It looks more cCatholic or another religion. To me.. LDS churches don't put crosses on the top of the church.

Bruce D

Posted by: bdoug71

Actuallt Brodric you are right.. The windows are tinted out and are a facade which is something else that they do too. It might very well be Jehovas witness

Bruce D

Posted by: Bordric

Quote:

Originally posted by bdoug71
I have to say I have never seen a LDS church like that. It looks more cCatholic or another religion. To me.. LDS churches don't put crosses on the top of the church.

Bruce D

Not Catholic my ex-wife is Catholic that is way to gaudy for them. They would never hang pictures like that up.

Being of this church would explain a lot of his shyness on the subject.

Posted by: Bordric

Plus to hang a picture of common person next to the image of Jesus would not go over well with many people. Catholics would not like that much. THey have a woman on the right and a man that is obscured on the right.

Posted by: mila

The investigation is over.
The girl from Russian forum has found out it. . She has found out that it from the address and name of his church. Name of his church is The "Iam" Activity
It is white brotherhood! It is Saint Germain "IAM" http://www.americanreligion.org/cultwtch/iam.html

Posted by: Bordric

Interesting. They hang to pictures of those people up as though they too are being worshiped. But hey whatever makes them happy I guess. Sounds a bit strange, but then lots of things are strange in the world.

Posted by: bdoug71

I am wondering how they found this link and the information. That is ummmm.. interesting to say the least. Mila tell me how you found out that he was of this religion and how you found the link.. I have never heard of this religion before but it is different to say the least.

Bruce D

Thoughts are the most dangerous weapon.

Posted by: rtking

Quote:

It is white brotherhood! It is Saint Germain "IAM"

Uh... "White Brotherhood?" This sounds like a racist sect to me. Good Lord, I hope I'm wrong though.

Bob K.

Posted by: mila

Quote:

Originally posted by sean mcgann
I wonder who might be taking notice of anybody that opens that link.

peace sean

I have not understood a question

Posted by: mila

Quote:

Originally posted by bdoug71
I am wondering how they found this link and the information. That is ummmm.. interesting to say the least. Mila tell me how you found out that he was of this religion and how you found the link.. I have never heard of this religion before but it is different to say the least.

Bruce D

Thoughts are the most dangerous weapon.

I do not know how that girl has found this information. I shall ask her about it.
I have sent her quotations from his letter, and she has found it :

"I live in USA in the state of Idaho in the
country near the town Lava Hot
Springs. It is by the city of Pocatello in the southeastern part of
Idaho.
Yes I and my family go to church every Sunday and sometime more. The
church I go to is called The "Iam" Activity. It teaches the laws of
life."

Posted by: bdoug71

I guess he did say that he was a church goer then in his letter.

Well that would have made finding out more to have had that information. Mila I have enjoyed talking to you and everyone in this forum but I think we have solved the mystery

.

Bruce D

More wars are fought for religion than any other reason in the world

Posted by: Arnold

Quote:

Original geschrieben von SMc
I wonder who might be taking notice of anybody that opens that link.

peace sean

Hello Mila!

I looked at it... don't know what to make of it though?

Bob could be right though, this very well could be some sort of Nazi-Church deal.

According to the site info, the white light is the divine force or God. That's why they have that candle. There also was a notation made, that they are patriots, and that's why they always have American flags at their ceremonies.

The religion was started by American's of German descent in the 1930. Does this prove that they are Nazis, I don't know? This was the "Great Depression Era", many desperate people searching for answers... occult religions were very popular at this period in time.

My take is, that they started this "religion" to make money off their followers, because in the forties their was a big mail fraud trial involving the founders of the "religion".

Their believes are based on Christianity. Supposedly, they are pretty big (have many followers), but they are also very secretive.

I don't know what to tell you Mila? Perhaps, you should advise your friend to question this man about how he feels about people who are none white?

Getting married to a racist might not be a good thing. I am not saying that this man is a racist, but it is a strong possibility, given the name of his church.

-- Arnold

Posted by: Michael Blue

If that quote measn what I think it means, the "Mormon" discussion is unnecessary.

The "I Am" movement is a cult; a religion created by one person and dominated by the leadership of one person. I will find more specific information if I can within a day or two, but if your friend is Baptist, these religious beliefs are very likely not to converge in any way.

Sorry....

Posted by: PLGOV2

Yes it is Terrible. Little bit about the history of them, first where did they get the name Mormon? From genitic mutalation mermaid their religon is base on it they take a fish a carp and attach it to a poor innocent usaly non mormon girl with out her consent grow it to an enormess size I have rescue 3 of them so far and to take one into a hospital the book of mormon quakes open and every one is giving qoutes and speeches from it.
Second the best way to tell for your own safety is throw some amphibiancide on them frog or toad poison, they are them some wart from a toad that has change its appearence to a configuration of a human but is inhabited by a toad, I am serious about this. The chemiacle removes the placer deposit and wala a toad that can weigh any where up 800lbs.
The mormon pig and queer excuse me pioneer that move to Salt Lake after hearing of another settlement of 14,000 pepole In the Salt Lake Valley non mormons where mayhem, torture, murdered and cannibalize by the mormons. The mormon women where actualy TOAD CLONES they tried to pass themselfs off as polygamy for having so many of them.
They either are one or cloning one,dont like them dont trust them.

Posted by: Arnold

Yes, I have heard of such wonderous creatours myself: one famous scholar by the name of H.P. Lovecraft has written many such reports in regard to these freakish half humans who you are telling us about today.

Behold the toad-people are amongst us!

Posted by: Bordric

I seen a bunch of frogs in the street once after a strong rain... Does that count?

Posted by: Arnold

Were they mormons? Did they try to convert you? Did they carry little bibles under their short arms?

Posted by: Bordric

Does it count if they were on the front steps? Or maybe that was Jehovah�s Witness and the tower thingy...

Posted by: Arnold

The new dude is not very helpful in our time of crisis. Hmm, he is probably out delivering carp...

Posted by: bdoug71

Quote:

Originally posted by PLGOV2
Yes it is Terrible. Little bit about the history of them, first where did they get the name Mormon? From genitic mutalation mermaid their religon is base on it they take a fish a carp and attach it to a poor innocent usaly non mormon girl with out her consent grow it to an enormess size I have rescue 3 of them so far and to take one into a hospital the book of mormon quakes open and every one is giving qoutes and speeches from it.
Second the best way to tell for your own safety is throw some amphibiancide on them frog or toad poison, they are them some wart from a toad that has change its appearence to a configuration of a human but is inhabited by a toad, I am serious about this. The chemiacle removes the placer deposit and wala a toad that can weigh any where up 800lbs.
The mormon pig and queer excuse me pioneer that move to Salt Lake after hearing of another settlement of 14,000 pepole In the Salt Lake Valley non mormons where mayhem, torture, murdered and cannibalize by the mormons. The mormon women where actualy TOAD CLONES they tried to pass themselfs off as polygamy for having so many of them.
They either are one or cloning one,dont like them dont trust them.

WTF!!!!??? OK I am a little confused about this one. I have been a "Mormon" my whole life and I have never heard this and I am frankly offended by this. This is definantly not a main stream "Mormon" belief. And what just spewed from your keyboard is a load of crap that is definantly new to me but really if you think about that it makes absolutely no sense at all. So as I said before. Before you spread a rumour as fact please ask. I am as of now extremly offended. If you believe this is true then you need to get your head examined. There is not even a scrap of truth in that statement that I could even confirm for you. I will tell you what if you really want to know the truth look around for it. I think that if you read around you won't even find the story that you just gave because that is a LIE. You did not even get where we got the name Mormon correct. And please spell it correctly if you are going to use it. A Mermaid.. WTF!!! Personally I would rather see this thread removed than to even see people respond to this crap. and for anyone to believe that this might be true. I am absolutely serious I find this highly offensive. I can equate this as if I said the Catholic church is not founded on St. Peter as they believe but on a bunch of old men who sat in a council and decided for all the world of that time what to believe and they changed the bible so it would fit thier interpretation. I do not velieve this is true but what you did in blasting my religion in this fashion is the same effect. So please before you spread a lie as fact FIRST check the facts. No where in any history book or internet website is that stated. SECOND,
What do you mean "I have rescue 3 of them so far " by this statement? I am tired of this thread now and I really do not even want to talk about this load of crap any more.

Bruce D

Shakes my head in wonderment and has to remember that people are sheep.

Posted by: Arnold

Duh! Bruce you took the bait! Now this idiot gets to LHAO at your expense...

Bruce, anyone who read this thread from the beginning should have gotten a very clear understanding about your religion. I would not opt for removal of the thread, because it is yet again a great example of the kind of rudness present in the world.

It is an example of why there never can be peace. It is, because of people like this! He knew, or at least had a very strong "hunch" that you would reply, that's why he wrote all this crap.

Probably copied it straight over from a LOVECRAFT novel.

This guy was trolling for a fight, don't be tempted any more. It is fruitless.

Best Wishes, Arnold

Posted by: bdoug71

Arnold I understand but I want others to understand and know that this is not cool. I still do not find this funny. And I had not read any Lovecraft books

. Maybe I should. But still it is a joke in bad taste and for people who do not understand my religion this could be taken the wrong way. But thank you for your thoughts.

Bruce D

Why can't we all just get along?

Posted by: Arnold

100% agree with you, Bruce!