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Posted by: Longfellow

I came across this series of articles regarding women of Russia, particularly more traditional women. There is written in these a lot of social and cultural ideas as what makes them different.
Bear in mind, these articles are presented on a site for traditional Russian matchmaking, so I suppose it should be taken with a grain of salt. Still, I found it interesting reading.
I think there is some good information here, especially regarding the societal changes that have occurred with different political climates.
You can read these here.
I'd be interested to hear the feedback of others, espescially those who have much closer ties with RW's.

Posted by: azamuner

I read the article. Quite long but very interesting.

Posted by: royalpalace774

Nice article LONGFELLOW! There is alot to read about this subject if you go searching for it.

I just thought the women in my hometown were way to cocky and stuck up. This is why I probably why I ventured into it myself.

Posted by: ham

my gut feeling about that website & its reliability:
PHONEYS!

Here is why.
Miss Alla once used to go under the pseudonym/married name of ALLA STANTON.
http://www.venets.com/alla.html
So whom she refers to as "business partner" is in reality her ex-husband.
They were behind forfeited high-end agency IFAR (charging $35.000 to 50.000+ for matchmaking only, travels etc excluded ), but then their marriage went bust and they entered a mud-slinging phase.
Now you'll excuse me if i doubt of her ability to make MY marriage last, while unable to make HERS last; so much for her "values".

Seemingly they recycle old IFAR stuff under a new ribbon.

Do not believe me?
See attached.
Buyer beware!

Posted by: Longfellow

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Originally Posted by ham

That's great info to learn about the service and owners of this site.

What do you think about the information, insights and opinions of the articles content?

Posted by: ham

they posted that material online first around 1998:nearly ten years ago (about when i learnt about them).
I read terabytes of such stories, and once even believed some...

the fact they STILL think whatever in it to be applicable today in a fast-paced, ever changing environment such as the FSU, begs a few questions.
There are a few bits of common sense, namely that big cities might not be the best place to seek "traditional" women blahblah.
There are bits describing soviet-time women, but that is as gone as Benito Mussolini, and anyways having no bearing UNLESS Barney wants to marry a 40-50yo+ old FSUW.

I think there are a couple reasons why Alla conveniently omits "embarassing" or else "out of color" bits of her story...she can philosophize and contextualize and dissect and paint historical pictures...but it all boils down to a simple question: will this "traditional russian woman" work for me, Barney, here and now?
Forget VIII century or the 1970s...
There are a few caveats dispersed here & there, but if she got to be the example, then the medicine is just a placebo and doesn't work.

Anyways do not believe me: by all means go ahead & find out for yourself...

Posted by: EasyTarget

On the website it states the standard consultation fee is $50,000. They are nuts.
http://www.venets.com/index.html

I was thinking it was a typo but on the other page
http://www.venets.com/consult.php
it says the same thing.

Posted by: ham

VENETS MARRIAGE AGENCY= IFAR MARRIAGE AGENCY under a new name.

It is my opinion "high-end" agencies are especially a rip-off.

Posted by: azamuner

$50,000!!! HAHAHAHAHA!

What an expensive scam. Imagine what any person could do with 50K.

Posted by: joelunchbox

Maybe open an online dating scam--I mean online dating site?

Wait he would be back to square one, wouldn't he??

Posted by: Longfellow

Focus, people!
I'm intersested in what you think of the content of the articles, not the quality of the service fo this matchmaker...

Posted by: Cheburashka

They quote the fact that 70% of Russian women are "lower class" and then have nothing much to say about those kind of women.

Although there is some truth in that article, it is just more of the propaganda that is all over the web about Russian ladies.

Posted by: ham

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I'm intersested in what you think of the content of the articles

another way to look at it is: it is like studying international relations and foreign policy having as a "textbook" WWF wrestling gimmick and "angles" from the 1980s.
I love 1980s WWF wrestling, but i never put too much on "Real american" ( the BS

song announcing Hulk Hogan ), on the feuds between Hacksaw Jim Duggan (a complete moron) posing as "american hero" and "the bolsheviks", EG when he disrupted Nikolaj Volkoff's singing of the soviet anthem ( by the way the real man behind the Volkoff charachter was of CROATIAN ancestry i think, and his pal charachter Boris Zhukov was an american ).

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I'm intersested in what you think of the content of the articles, not the quality of the service fo this matchmaker...

i suggest the 2 to intertwine deeply.
they are selling something and of course have to "put the customer in the right mood" to purchase whatever they are selling the way they are selling it.

But whatever makes others happy.

Posted by: Longfellow

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Originally Posted by ham

I suggest the 2 to intertwine deeply.
they are selling something and of course have to "put the customer in the right mood" to purchase whatever they are selling the way they are selling it.

Thanks. I can completely understand what you are saying about this... sales and marketing to make a foreign man feel he is ill-equipped to understand a Russian woman without help of a 'professional'.
Still, I found the descriptions of socio-political climates to be interesting and mostly free of marketing bias... pretty straight-forward discussion of what occurred and how the populace might have reacted in majority to those change.
As I said in starting this thread, it should be taken with a grain of salt.
Much like the dissertations of Elena (Elenas Models) and how she describes the psyche and personality of the FSU woman... some valuable ideas, some complete garbage.

Posted by: ham

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Still, I found the descriptions of socio-political climates to be interesting and mostly free of marketing bias... pretty straight-forward discussion of what occurred and how the populace might have reacted in majority to those change.

well, the "historical part" isn't bad, but i think with a few stereotypes or "comic book narrative" devices.
My "professional " advice?
forget junk administered by parties with vested interests and -if you really love it- study a regular history course such as
http://www.athabascau.ca/html/syllabi/hist/hist327.htm

Posted by: joelunchbox

Personally, it is more important to know yourself. I don't even know how to classify my fiance'. Half russian/half Uzbek. Mother university expert on poultry/father military. she is in medical field. She has never married. Has one daughter. What demographic does she fit? And how would I have known to look for that before I met her?
I read the descriptions of "russian women" with a very prejudiced eye...they are selling something. I don't think I need what they are selling but I do file it back just in case.

Posted by: EasyTarget

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Originally Posted by Longfellow

Focus, people!
I'm intersested in what you think of the content of the articles, not the quality of the service fo this matchmaker...

Problem is if they are charging 50K for matchmaking services, it starts to delve into how much can I trust them or anything they say. If they want you to pay 50K then they need to give a pretty hard sales pitch.

The article is part of the sales pitch and I can not put much credence in to anything that is written.

If you want to spend 50K, then your better option is to move to Russia for 2 years, learn to speak Russian fluently, and find your ideal match.

Better way to spend your money.