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Do you tell a scammer you know the game?
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Posted by: Longfellow

So I've discovered conclusive proof that someone was attempting to scam me. I've already posted the pictures, IP addresses, name, key words and phrases from their tempates, etc to blacklist.
Here is the last cheeky email I sent to the scammer - with traceable options turned on (note: the 'friends' I talk about are all aliases that have been used with these templates :-))

My one and only Natasha,
I am so thankful that you do not talk to any other man and only your heart to divide with me. That you telphone to me was very nice. your English to talk is vey strong though maybe you were scared. I was tired from study and not awake to give the good conversation. You will try again to me to me tonight? Now I should be well prepared for you to call my the telephone. Maybe better, that the parents have the phone for you to call them and have long talk. You will give me the phone number so that we can agree to a time that you will be there and we can talk on my dime. You will like my dime. The parents see you she is happy to speak of love to your one and only me. I would be more better to talk of our future if you we were to both be so committed and have the purpose divided. That you are such a good and sincere woman, your the Daddy and the Mum will be so proud of you. You must be sure that they know how hard you work and that with your work, you make happy so many people. Many sad people need the architect to fix their life and home for them. You give them a certain service at the broken moment, da?
How is pushok? He is fat and full of good food, I trust. You do not feed him the stuffed peppers. it will make his fluffy fur look like the old carpet. You are so unreal to me now, I need some substance of you. In the next letter to me, you will add include the photo of your pushok on your sitting knees? I love to see the kitten as she purrs!
Did you decide to go with Nadegda who invited you to walk on a wood? Was it very lovely there this time of year? There is much wood in USA and I know you will enjoy to walk all over it. But only to be careful... we have very cunning the rattlesnakes here. The bite can make your skin black and twisted forever.
It is a great shame to scar the beautiful young woman with such ugliness. It is not the innocent to know the snake lies for them to bite. Have a care when and where you rest on nature.
I also have friends who enjoy to walk on a wood here... many friend like to walk. Some of these friends are Mariya, Olya, Larisa, Yulia, Galya, Valentina... so many friends on the walk. They are all good and pretty girls. Some of these are not so faithful and honest as you, but you are very special.
They once to live in many wonderful places in Russia and have such a gay time to walk together. They are all promised to my collegues and did to arrive to them in USA .Now they have their second half. When you are with me here in USA, my darling, I will introduce you to them all and we shall all go for the long walk and have great laugh together. Perhaps Fat Yuri and Hairy Ivan will join us.They are very humorous to me. I think you will like them.
I patiently await your letters telling me of your arrival to me very soon.
Always remenber that your beautiful face is mine to hold forever!

Boris never opened it which is a shame. The templates keep arriving every day.

Do I let the scammer waste time spinning their wheels or do I just say, stop writing already? I have to say, it's all very comical to me now...

Posted by: ham

syntax is humorous

Posted by: EasyTarget

Your wasting your time, but if you make yourself laugh..then enjoy.

Posted by: Chrismc

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Originally Posted by Longfellow

Do I let the scammer waste time spinning their wheels or do I just say, stop writing already? I have to say, it's all very comical to me now...

Move on and do something more productive, like finding a good one who wants a future husband/partner. The scammer won't stop just because you found them out, she/he/it has many more fish to fry

Posted by: Longfellow

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Originally Posted by Chrismc

Move on and do something more productive, like finding a good one who wants a future husband/partner. The scammer won't stop just because you found them out, she/he/it has many more fish to fry

I have definitely moved on... I too enjoy a good fish fry - that is, I have other correspondence with what are real womwn (I think).
And I know the scammer won't stop scamming. But he/she/it can stop attempting to scam me. The templates keep arriving to my inbox. I've already read them on a blacklist posting... it's like I'm a psychic!

As an aside, today was the arrival of the letter that "shows the cards" - I'll pay for my passport and visa and trip to Moscow if you pay for the round-trip ticket.

Posted by: Chrismc

Interesting, Longfellow which agency/web site are you dealing with that keeps sending you all these scammers?

Posted by: tuberatking

When I announced that I sent a letter of rebuke to my "Natasha", I had mixed reviews. Some posters advised me that it was a mistake to educate the scammers. My letter of rebuke didn't include any links or evidence for my conclusion but just a tongue lashing for using love as a platform for theft. I recieved a reply the next day asking for a explanation and apology from "Natasha". I ignored it and low and behold, I have received another one yesterday.

Dear why you do not write to me? What happened? Please write to me soon.I shall wait for the letter from you.Yours Natasha.

"What happened?" My first thought is that they are inviting me into a debate so they can see where I got my evidence and clean up the "loose ends". I won't respond to this one either.

The web site where she contacted me is a hawaii singles site. When I emailed them and told them they might want to investigate her and remove her from the site I received no reply. The next time I clicked on my shortcut to go to that site my computer was attacked by a virus. My software protected me but I thought it was a little too coincidental.

Also, some of you may remember that one of my red flags was that her messages were time stamped "all over the board", around the clock. After I posted that comment on RMP all subsequent messages were changed and time stamped Hawaii time.

No, I don't use drugs and Yes, I think it is more than possible they are monitoring these conversations. Any thoughts on creating a more secure means of discussing scammer topics?

Posted by: Longfellow

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Originally Posted by Chrismc

Interesting, Longfellow which agency/web site are you dealing with that keeps sending you all these scammers?

I was contacted through my Match.com profile.
Perhaps, you misunderstood, all those aliases were not used to attempt to scam me personally... they are the names that other men reported to have been corresponding with and received identical scam templates as the ones I got. Different photo sets as well.

Posted by: Chrismc

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Originally Posted by Longfellow

Ah thanks for clearing that up, I have heard though that Match.com is one of the site that seem to attarct hoards of scammers, but not used it myself so cannot say for sure or from first hand knowledge.

Posted by: Longfellow

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Originally Posted by Chrismc

Match, Yahoo or any site that gives free access, even if temporary
Match.com would be especially easy to target as they make the new arrivals very obvious. Find the nickname and add @talkmatch.com and your sending emails.
I take ownership that this occurred because I took the bait of "too good to be true". I had suspicion from the start and pushed it aside. DOH!
But I will say this, if it wasn't for the scam, I would have not developed an appetite to learn more about the greater russian people, cultures and geographies. I would not have learned of the tremendously attractive qualities this culture imparts to its women and continued to seek someone real from abroad. And I wouldn't have found RMP which would have been a real tragedy for me... this is a fine board with really good people and information.

So thank you, scammer, for making my life better despite your attempt to raid my pocket!

Posted by: j_c

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Originally Posted by tuberatking

When I announced that I sent a letter of rebuke to my "Natasha", I had mixed reviews. Some posters advised me that it was a mistake to educate the scammers. My letter of rebuke didn't include any links or evidence for my conclusion but just a tongue lashing for using love as a platform for theft. I recieved a reply the next day asking for a explanation and apology from "Natasha". I ignored it and low and behold, I have received another one yesterday.

Dear why you do not write to me? What happened? Please write to me soon.I shall wait for the letter from you.Yours Natasha.

"What happened?" My first thought is that they are inviting me into a debate so they can see where I got my evidence and clean up the "loose ends". I won't respond to this one either.

The web site where she contacted me is a hawaii singles site. When I emailed them and told them they might want to investigate her and remove her from the site I received no reply. The next time I clicked on my shortcut to go to that site my computer was attacked by a virus. My software protected me but I thought it was a little too coincidental.

Also, some of you may remember that one of my red flags was that her messages were time stamped "all over the board", around the clock. After I posted that comment on RMP all subsequent messages were changed and time stamped Hawaii time.

No, I don't use drugs and Yes, I think it is more than possible they are monitoring these conversations. Any thoughts on creating a more secure means of discussing scammer topics?

Luckily never been involved with a scammer of any sorts , struck lucky on the first time. But I'm sorry, this sounds a bit extreme to me , virus attcking computer , checking time stamps.....I'm not saying I dont belive you, but just sounds beyond your average person and not something a russian lady who is trying to part you with your money is going to understand.

We all log on here and part with information , but do you really think that they log on and use this to "coordinate" their "attacks" on us?

As you look across the internet ther are hundreds if not thousands of dating sites advertising Russian ladies and from there to try and find individuals on RMP and figure out who they are on here from their log on details and with their limited understanding of English is a bit too much for me to believe!

Look forward to all your thoughts on this one....do you really think they are all that clever?

JC

Posted by: Longfellow

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Originally Posted by j_c

Look forward to all your thoughts on this one....do you really think they are all that clever?

You incredulous shrew!

How dare you raise the voice of reason supported with quality commentary!
I have a mind to take seriously what you contribute...

Posted by: tuberatking

Frankly, i don't know what to think. the dating site virus attack is unrelated to any scammer thing and i was just kindof whining about that, i don't even know if it was deliberate on the part of some guy who runs the site that didn't like my suggestion. i'm not computer literate enough to know that.

as for real time monitoring i suggested it's more than possible. my natasha emails weren't sent stamped in mari el time it was some other zone but not hawaii. That's IF the "sent stamp" is the actual sent time. the reason i was checking the time stamps is because i was trying to see if they were sen't from the "internet cafe between 5 and 7 pm" russia so i could know it was a girl and not a factory.

because they were around the clock i emailed email support and asked if the "sent stamps" were the actual time the email was composed or if they could be qued up in some server for an indeterminate period and the time stamp is the time they left the server. noone could give me a complete answer. in any event, i was watching them very closely and immediately after my post about time stamps, they were switched from unknown zone to hawaii time. doesn't make any sense cause when i did the math, (mari el is 14 hours ahead of me) it still meant they were "sent" at 11pm or 1am or some such time. The emails didn't start originating at a constant time and the fact that now i know the time zone it actually made it easier to do the math.

look, I know there's more important things to discuss here than email time stamps and i'm probably the least informed guy on the whole site, i DON'T have an overactive imagination and I DO talk too much!

Posted by: GentleGiant

Time Stamps can be a Warning Signal, the one and only scammer I came across on Elena's Models I caught out because she sent me an email from "Work" at 2 am local time.

Posted by: Longfellow

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant

Time Stamps can be a Warning Signal, the one and only scammer I came across on Elena's Models I caught out because she sent me an email from "Work" at 2 am local time.

That is good advice. There can be many things to look at, especially within a message header.
In this case, the scammer's schedule for the mass send was always within the "work hours" claimed although if one examines it objectively, how many of us always answer an email we receive in the morning at 3-4 in the afternoon. People on an emotional track are often anxious to read and write back. Many things can be warning signs, especially in hindsight. I also think it is important to remain optimistic - everything is not a scam and red-flags are not 100% accurate in all situations.