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| My wife has been reading antidate the last few days...she seems ta think there's a decent group of people there. |
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Originally Posted by ham
now the best thing is to invite a female divorce lawyer and/or a women's studies graduate over for dinner to discuss it...
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Originally Posted by Ellen
Still can't calm down that such site exist for females as well, can you?
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Originally Posted by ham
honestly i couldn't care less about it.
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Originally Posted by ham
but i don't think it is a good reading for any MOB, especially MARRIED.
Then again, FSUWs will "catch up" very quickly and be up to date with all the western "special interests" fads, irrespective of that site. |
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Originally Posted by ham
Care to qualify why you added "for females as well"?
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Originally Posted by ham
Hell, i personally know a few pages in russian, which explain how to scam western men in great detail.
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| And? Do those pages have someting to do with antidate forum? |
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If you cared less you would not mention that particalar site at any opprtunity transfering your possible troubles with OWNERS of DATING AGECIES onto that site. |
| PS My ability to understand meaning which English verbs get in combination with "up" is limited. I also can't translate words "fads" and "irrespective". So what could be those "special interests" you are speaking about are above my ability for guessing. |
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I meant that I didn't notice that you were against scamm lists with women names which existed for men involved in this process in the same degree how you were "obsessed" with antidate site wich was created for women involved in process of dating through internet. For me you show just double standarts, Not that it's such unusial thing for human nature but nevertheless it's double standarts. |
| if YOU yourself managed to pick up WRONG woman ( because YOU paid attention only to her hot look, because YOU were in a hurry as YOU could not make enough visits to FSU to know her better , because YOU thought that your better life style in developed western country could buy her love, if YOU ..... ) then no "bad" Russian female friends, no "bad" internet forums and sites could be blaimed for your failed marriage. |
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Originally Posted by ham
UP TO DATE means RECENT, ACTUAL; it's not a verb like "trading up".
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Originally Posted by ham
not "in common", but a substitute.
come on... 1 the allegation of the site being used by agency owners did not come from me 2 who was trolling around trying to get the website known? Need a memory refresher? Not me. |
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Originally Posted by ham
UP TO DATE means RECENT, ACTUAL; it's not a verb like "trading up".
FAD is "a practice or interest followed for a time with exaggerated zeal : CRAZE synonyms see FASHION " SPECIAL INTEREST includes all the belly aching and resentment theories modelled upon early anti-slavery theories and speeches. Women are a "special " group because their "interests" have been neglected over the centuries to the advantage of fallocracy (=power to those who have a penis ), white western men & the like. |
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Originally Posted by ham
i said many times i don't believe in THE CONCEPT behind blacklists, but if YOU say otherwise...
You can substitute women with slaves, queers or any other group & it will still work. |
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Originally Posted by ham
well, for example the bad influence of "russian friends" has been documented.
Of course no outer influence like that can turn a REAL angel into a scumbag. |
| Who do start topics and make posts time after time with accusation of AD site ( which they could not read, which they have not read) in variouse "possible" crimes and games without any one real proof? Who do mention in negative way AD forum at any opportunity even "he could care less"? Need a memory refresh whose post I ANSWER all the time ? |
| hank for your efforts with explanation but I'm dumb today obviously as I got even less now what you meant to say |
| We start to go circles again so I offer to drop this AD forum issue ... until you would mention it one more time which would give me an one more opportunity to promote it |
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Originally Posted by ham
1 i never started any thread involving that site. Can you quote one such thread i started?
2 i said there are opinions and rumors published about things happening through that site. Go ask those who seed these opinions saying "that happened to me ". |
Can you qoute me? I just made a question in the same mannera like YOU did ( first) and asked you WHO did start such threads , and who did iniciate such topics It was not me for sure.|
Originally Posted by ham
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Originally Posted by ham
That's OLD STUFF!
Just yesterday on a japanese cartoon forum i go to, someone wanted to attract attention to the web store he had started, thus stirred debates and got into fights over which japanese cartoon robot has the deadliest lethal weapon...believe me, you CAN have fights & virtual blood shed over whether Koji Kabuto is actually better than Tetsuya Tsuruji ( cartoon charachters ), so it isn't surprising AD claims to fame attract attention. |
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Originally Posted by inlove
Moderator's hat on.
Ellen, Ham, and the others interested in discussions about antidate and other forums, Your ideas about antidate and russian women's forums in general have no bearing on skinsfan's case. Keep your antidate discussions to one topic only, please. This forum is not devoted to antidate, so please restrain yourselves from spilling over to other people's topics. Thank you. Moderator's hat off |
| 2. in other words it was you who're spreading rumores, that exactly how such action is called. Offereing me to find by myself people who could say "it happened to me personally" is silly because it's not me who mention opinion of those "misteriouse" people. |
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Thank It was very helpful of you. Next time you ask me what I meant I 'll post my opinion in Russian and give you a link to translator I think it would help for uderstandig for sure |
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Originally Posted by Pin Boy
ellen, if you wish to continue the antidate discussion, start a new thread. don't force the mods to lock this thread because it has gone too far off topic. there may be more comments pertinent to skinsfan case others may post in the future. or skinsfan himself may have more to post and we don't wish to force him to start a new thread. thank you.
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Originally Posted by Ellen
Anyway the main my point - in conection with orignal topic of this thread- is if YOU yourself managed to pick up WRONG woman ( because YOU paid attention only to her hot look, because YOU were in a hurry as YOU could not make enough visits to FSU to know her better , because YOU thought that your better life style in developed western country could buy her love, if YOU ..... ) then no "bad" Russian female friends, no "bad" internet forums and sites could be blaimed for your failed marriage. ( PS I don;t say that SHE should not be blaimed as well)
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Originally Posted by ham
I don't want to fuel irrelevant controversy. PM me if you like and i'll gladly tell you the name(s).
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Originally Posted by ham
www.dictionary.com is a dictionary, not a translator. When i don't know a word's meaning i use it.
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Originally Posted by Ellen
I'm interested in stopping spreading rumores about sites which have nothing to do to this particular forum. I asked not for once not to mention antidate issue ( by people who have not even read it) .
So my idea who is interested in discussion antidate HERE and to what moderators should pay attention is different to your one. So please restrain yourself from adding oil to a fire with such posts - not a good business for moderator |
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Originally Posted by inlove
Ellen,
If you got a problem with the way this forum is moderated, you can PM the administrator's and discuss it with them. I understand that you are passionate about antidate and its cause. But this is no excuse to turn other member's topic into an antidate discussion. Start your own, and fight with Ham there. By the way, it might be beneficial to you to read the rules of this forum, if you have not already. |
| No need for PM Names should be named OPENLY if accusations have been done on open board. |
| When I'm asked what I meant I don't send people to dictionary with N variouse meanings of one word I just try to explain the same idea with other words. But I will do that in future if such a question be asked by you as it's what you used to do in such cases And it will be Russian dictionary because I used to exactly it. |
| Anyway the main my point - in conection with orignal topic of this thread- is if YOU yourself managed to pick up WRONG woman ( because YOU paid attention only to her hot look, because YOU were in a hurry as YOU could not make enough visits to FSU to know her better , because YOU thought that your better life style in developed western country could buy her love, if YOU ..... ) then no "bad" Russian female friends, no "bad" internet forums and sites could be blaimed for your failed marriage. ( PS I don;t say that SHE should not be blaimed as well) |
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Originally Posted by ham
well, it means you're not interested enough, then.
HAHAHA! |
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Originally Posted by ham
What, have i offended your honor? Throw the gauntlet then!
In the middle ages upto XIX century offended gentlemen throw a glove (gauntlet) to defy the opponent to duel because they feel offended. |
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Originally Posted by ham
you had one too many of whatever you had. Since age 8, when i don't know the meaning of a word in a language, i look it up in that language's dictionary. This is English & that is an ENGLISH DICTIONARY. I tried to explain in other words, but you said it didn't help, so i don't know what good would a russian dictionary do to doubts about english. |
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Originally Posted by ham
wrong.
i saw lusty old goats taken for a ride...i saw men who wanted to "buy"...i saw men with various flaws AND i even saw decent meek men taken for a ride AS WELL. |
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Originally Posted by Ellen
Further discussions about Antidate forum should be allowed to carry by those who have read that forum and have an idea what's going on there.
Posts like I/O, Turbo and Ham used to do about Antidate at this board ARE NOT discussion but just only spreading hossips and rumores they picked up in Net space or "guessing" made by themsleves. It's not my business to say should administration of this forum allowes such posts about another board or not but I can say that "ignoring" them does not add a respect to this forum at all. |
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Originally Posted by inlove
Ellen,
We have freedom of speech here. As long as there no open insults or inappropriate language used, or an advertising for other sites/services, everybody is free to post what they like. Searcher, Thank you. |
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Originally Posted by Ellen
And I thnk I have a right as well to compose my own opinion about such forum which allowes that. Would it be seen like freedom of speach if I post that my opinion here?
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Originally Posted by inlove
Ellen, you are free to post any opinion, as long as you avoid open insults, personal insults, use of inappropriate language, and advertising.
Read the forum rules, it is spelled out pretty well. |
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Originally Posted by Ellen
Ok no advertising , that I understand . How about "black PR"? Any rules?
What's "open insult" Would it be open insult if I accuse adminstration of your forum in bad things which I can;t support with any proof? Would it be "not open" isult if I make the same using words "RMP people" instead of partucular names and saying it's not my opinion - it's what I heard in some place ( don;t know where though) ? Would you allow me to mention those "hossips" whenever I wish in any topic? Sorry I can't find answers at SUCH questions in rules of this forum I can only judge by actions of some posters here and by reaction of moderators. So please enligh dumb persone about PARTICULAR cases. |
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Originally Posted by inlove
To my knowledge, we did not have any particular cases to deal with as of yet, Ellen. As for 'bad PR", I cannot understand why you are so worried about what Turbo, Ham or anyone else on this forum thinks about Atidate. They are not your target audience, and cannot add to or take away from your forum.
In regards to our forum here, we have not had to deal with any bad PR, because even if somebody says something at other places about PRM, people will come and check it out, and make an opinion to themselves. If you are not sure what an open insult or inapropriate language mean, you can always PM the contents of your post to any of the moderators before posting it on the board. We will be glad to assist you with figuring out what is appropriate and what is not. Also, if you think that somebody's postings are insulting you in any way, send us a PM, we will look into it. And let's hope that the subject of Antidate is going to come up in any other topic from now on. This is why this thread was created. |
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Originally Posted by Ellen
A question is not WHY I'm so obsesive with bad things people like Turo and Ham say about "AD people"
A question if their posts were seen like "normal" - there were, were not ? can I do the same? Or their post were seen like normal ONLY because they said those bad things about AD but not RMP? So how about answers ? Can I do the same HERE but not in other place? I will be gald if you answer my question. PS In a case with AD forum people, who Ham-Turbo and Co tell their negative opinion about Antidate, can't check how much lie their posts content because people just can;t read Russian. But even if they can talks are not about that but about RMP like a trubune for hossips and rumores about another sites Are owners of the forum fine with such role? If yes then let it be so it's their choice I just wish to get a stright answer at such question I know at other boards such things are seen like not decent because it's just simple common rules of behave in any "company" |
But of course, we would like everybody to productively share their opinions and enjoy their time here as much as possible. |
A question if their posts were seen like "normal" - there were, were not ? can I do the same? Or their post were seen like normal ONLY because they said those bad things about AD but not RMP? So how about answers ? Can I do the same HERE but not in other place? |
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Originally Posted by inlove
Ellen,
I did not see anything abnormal with their posts. If I missed something that is in violation of forum posting rules, PM me with links. |
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Originally Posted by inlove
As I've said above, everybody is free to share their opinions about whatever sites they come accross, or whatever issue they are interested in. As long as they do it in a civil manner.Gossips or not.
Generally, if it is a gossip or a rumor without any substance a thread does not go much further beyond a few postings, unless somebody wants to fuel the fire. If the fire gets out of hand, or about to, moderators step in. Otherwise, we try to sit on the background, more or less. |
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Originally Posted by inlove
People here are not interested in gossips, in general, but are interested in facts and each others' opinions. Or not interested.
If you find RMP to be an unpleasant place, you don't have to be a member here. Everybody is free to join, and everybody is equally free to go. We are not going to hunt you down for leaving us. But of course, we would like everybody to productively share their opinions and enjoy their time here as much as possible. |
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Originally Posted by inlove
P.S. I'm kind of tired of this conversation, so I'll live it at that. Sorry, if I could not clarify the forum posting policy for you. I really tried. Maybe somebody else can do it better.
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Originally Posted by ham
come on, stop pretending your site is like the immaculate conception.
I told you what happened TO ME with forum cliques run by agency owners...AND I NEVER EVER WAS A CLIENT OF THEIRS! It is real...it can happen and it might happen to anyone if they step on the wrong feet, for no real reason. You are claiming your site only dodges what is common elsewhere? I told you already to go check J, J & D games and you'll see ONE of these claimed he could defame anyone using antidate AND SOMEONE ELSE said he had been actually threatened in writing about that. |
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Originally Posted by Jerico
You know I cant remember hearing about Anti-date website for years here at RMP and then Bill ( I believe ) said they put his name on blacklist and from there the fires keep burning.
I guess they changed the blacklisting for him and thats good i guess. I think if i was on blacklist site I could care less about it but hey , different strokes for different folks. My point is this, Theres A site called Antidate. Who cares? Some people will like it some will not.It applys to this forum also, End of story. People Let it go already , Jeez To many other things in life to worry about than a website that may or may not say things about certain foreign men. JMO Jerry |
| It was not BIll who started topic about AD. He arrived later. And you also just GUESS where he was put and what he was blaimed in, because you too just took information "by word" and formed your opinion base on that. |
| until Ham and Co would mention it one more time Then we will return to this topic . |
| nobody is interested in black PR of it |
| You told me what happened to you at ANOTHER site but not at AD But you continue to spread your negativity about not other place but AD. I ask to stop do that |
| And is a manera of posting negative about a site persone could not read and posting "guessing" about what "crimes" could be done by AD because some other owners of agency did something bad seen like CIVIL at this board? |
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Originally Posted by Ellen
That's exactly because you didn;t notice anything abnormal in posts of Turbo and Ham ( and I/O as well I guess ) ( even such a fact that topics were they posted sliped too often to discussion about AD because they mentioned that forum too often and too "out of place" ) I asked you a simple question - Is posting opinions ( negative and based only on rumores and hossips and personal "issues" with some people) about other boards NORMAl here?
If it's gossips and rumores but not facts and if they're allowed to fly free by moderators ( because thay are not about their own site I guess) futher they are just became reality for those who never would bother themsleves to check but only spread them futher |
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Originally Posted by Jerico
Well I dont recall saying that I agreed with him.
I did read his trip report and it seemed ok to me , nothing bad about the Russian women. Of course being from different cultures maybe it did offend some Russian girls i dont know. As an American i didn`t see anything wrong with his story or pictures. I honestly havent been to anti -date website so I really cant say its good or bad but by the tittle I assume its bad for westerners , hehe. That is all. Maybe i will go there and try to learn more Russian language from this site. I can read Russian but I dont know what a lot of the words mean. It is difficult just as English is to a Russian i imagine. Jerry |
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Originally Posted by ham
As well, let's face it: many women will delight in throwing stones at western MOB seekers for many reasons...they're fat, they're bald, they're broke, they're old, they're oversexed; and some of these women are actively entertaining "marriage minded correspondence" with the above "losers"...a better life? a green card? a cash wire?
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And they are exactly those who do need to repeat their negative opion about the forum while other normal males really don't care about a "wall of shame." And women are actively entertaining "marriage minded correspondence" hoping to find those normal males among an ocean of those "losers". Such an optimistic creatures Russian women are.
| I said I's not going to change it , If you are OK with one more "hot" thing for discussion which could cause ONLY fights, closed thread, going off topic threads and draging fights from other forums here because NOTHING ELSE could be got from such discussion then let it be so and let it continue I just know that oter forums deny to carry such disputs ( may be because of some ethic ideas as giving a tribune for people to bad moting other forums ( exactly forums) is not ethic thing or may be because of just "self-keeping" idea as nton godd could be gain for forum itself due to such discussions and fights) |
| Let face many males will be delighted in throwing stones at AD forum exactly because the are sex tourists, old perverts, fat,ugly SRMs who managed in addition to cross a road to some "fair" agency's owners and now they afraid to find their face at antidate And they are exactly those who do need to repeat their negative opion about the forum while other normal males really don't care about a "wall of shame." And women are actively entertaining "marriage minded correspondence" hoping to find those normal males among an ocean of those "losers". Such an optimistic creatures Russian women are. |
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Originally Posted by ham
ah...you want to PROMOTE the site, to bring VISIBILITY to it, but no debate.
You defend a blacklist and talk about ethics... Oh yes, "other forums" censor anything against the interest of the ones footing the bills ( who might change from time to time )...hardly new and hardly "ethical". Do you mean "they" are coming to "get me"...who? the Kentucky fried chicken guy, the tequila lawyer...which one? |
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Originally Posted by ham
and which hot young wealthy stallion would go the MOB route?
Come on! The entire MOB freak show exists only because of these men, ........< . . Sounds like double standard. |
| That's sounds like double standarts for you exactly because you have not even slightly idea about attitude of antidate to dating agencies, soshials, MOB industry, and toward gilrs who participate in that industry |
| Let face many males will be delighted in throwing stones at AD forum blahblah |
| to stop discussion AD forum in negative way by people like you who have not read it. |
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Originally Posted by Turboguy
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I don't think you can tell me with a straight face that there has never been a discussion or a pm on A-D about how to file false domestic abuse charges, how to use a man to get what you want, how to manipulate the green card system, how to do many things that have nothing to do with building a strong, happy marriage. I have read enough of the A-D forum to know there are some good things there too. If the overall tone and theme of the A-D forum was the woman's equivilent of what we have here and at other forums, I would have no problems with it. |
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Originally Posted by Turboguy
I don't think you can tell me with a straight face that there has never been a discussion or a pm on A-D about how to file false domestic abuse charges, how to use a man to get what you want, how to manipulate the green card system, how to do many things that have nothing to do with building a strong, happy marriage. I have read enough of the A-D forum to know there are some good things there too. If the overall tone and theme of the A-D forum was the woman's equivilent of what we have here and at other forums, I would have no problems with it.
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Originally Posted by inlove
I'm not Ellen, and I don't belong to AD forum in any way. I decided to see what the whole fuss is about, and actually went there and read some of the threads. While nobody can see what is going behind the scenes with PM and etc., I did not find a single topic oin the public area of the forum devoted to "how to file false domestic abuse charges, how to use a man to get what you want, how to manipulate the green card system".
Sure, I did not read everything 2 years back, but there is definitely nothing on the surface that you could define as "destractive to a strong, happy marriage". So, let's be fair. You should not accuse a person or a group of people of something that you don't have a proof for. Give us a link to the thread that is devoted to the subjects you mention above, or stop blaming AD for everything what is wrong in Russian/Western relationships. |
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