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Don't ask don't tell?

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Posted by: nflcolts

Ok, I haven’t seen this in a thread. How much of a person past relationships is relevant to that persons existing relationship? I am not talking about anything criminal!!! I only want to read your opinion about what you believe you should voluntarily share with your partner about personal matters that occurred before your meeting i.e. money, sex, politics. I told my RW I was married, but I did not tell her I had been married twice, she never ask! So I did not feel my first marriage was a issue. I did not want to have conversations that would make her feel uncomfortable. So I did not speak of this marriage, sort of like the don’t ask don’t tell policy! And when she found out about this marriage It was 20 years ago. She busted my balls so to speak! Also I did not tell her about a step-son in my second marriage! So how could I have prevented this from happening? If I adapt the policy of telling her everything about my past. We won’t ever talk about our future, I am 40 years old! I made mistakes in my life that I am not proud of! And I do not feel that it is necessary to go around airing out my laundry! But I would tell my RW anything if the subject was brought up, and she ask. I want to know your thoughts about this subject! Do you dwell in the past or do you look towards the future? I will get off this soap box before I fall. What say you?



Posted by: ira156

Quote:
Originally Posted by nflcolts
Ok, I haven’t seen this in a thread. How much of a person past relationships is relevant to that persons existing relationship? I am not talking about anything criminal!!! I only want to read your opinion about what you believe you should voluntarily share with your partner about personal matters that occurred before your meeting i.e. money, sex, politics. I told my RW I was married, but I did not tell her I had been married twice, she never ask! So I did not feel my first marriage was a issue. I did not want to have conversations that would make her feel uncomfortable. So I did not speak of this marriage, sort of like the don’t ask don’t tell policy! And when she found out about this marriage It was 20 years ago. She busted my balls so to speak! Also I did not tell her about a step-son in my second marriage! So how could I have prevented this from happening? If I adapt the policy of telling her everything about my past. We won’t ever talk about our future, I am 40 years old! I made mistakes in my life that I am not proud of! And I do not feel that it is necessary to go around airing out my laundry! But I would tell my RW anything if the subject was brought up, and she ask. I want to know your thoughts about this subject! Do you dwell in the past or do you look towards the future? I will get off this soap box before I fall. What say you?



Hey NF...hmmm. I suppose like anything its up to the individual. For me i was married once ...have 4 kids....and have had 3 long term relationships in the past 12 years. Did i tell Nat ...yes....did i go into detail ...no ...unless she asked...did she ask...not really.

I personally believe in not keeping skeltons in the closet....if i was your lady i would think i would be very embarrassed if the subject of your first marriage came up in conversations with others and i didnt even know about it.

I never dwell in the past but i am not embarrassed about my life as it has made me who i am today...the good and the bad.....but my focus is on the future thats for sure. Cheers Mate



Posted by: Spakoyna

I followed the same course Ira did...even ver badem! I explained to my wife about the phrase "skeltons in the closet"! I believe in being completely open and honest in a relationship. I had a little more difficulty in getting my wife to open up. She wanted to question the crap outta me in the beginning but not answer my same questions to her! I told her the past is the past and is what made you the person you are. Now we have no secrets and all is bliss!

BTW the embassy interviewer tried to trip my wife up...told her I had been married 3 times. She held her ground and said...no he has only been married once. This dude kept pushing her and pushing her until she finally said "My fiancee is outside, would you like to ask him?" Interview over. They do expect your fiancee to know a bit about you! Just food for thought!



Posted by: GoingToRussia

If any women asked me if I was married, I would tell about every marriage. After my divorce, I told women I was married even though I don't consider it a marriage .. only on paper. I think Russian women ask questions on purpose so they can check your story later to see if you were honest.



Posted by: nflcolts

I believe that if the information has no bearing in the relationship its just words! No need to froce the past into the relationship at hand. I would not feel comfortable asking questions about my RW past. Unless this was the subject of a conversation. I think every detail will show throughout the relationship. Unless you were in a intergation room you would not expect a normal conversation to start out by saying (Tell me about the persons you have sleep with during the past 20 years!) I am not saying that this question was ever spoken. I was only amased that I was back into a corner about my past. I want to know every detail about the lady I will marry. But I
understand that these details will present themselfs throughout the relationship. As I have said I am 40 years old and to tell about everything I have done in my life (good and bad) would take another 40! Then I would be dead or very close to death. I would rather spend my time building a good relationship rather than spending time talking about the past relations with other people! As I have said I would never ask, Who have you sleep with before you sleep with me? But I think woman in more so than men want these answers. I may be wrong to think or say this, but that is my conclusion. It is as if the woman are a little bit insecure about what they offer to the relationship. But I also understand that they will give up all that they have for the relationship at hand. So I take the questions with a grain of salt. I love my M and we will marry June 20. She has been approve for her visa. And these are some of the issuse that have been raised. But aint love grand?



Posted by: EasyTarget

I wouldn't mention every detail in the introductory letter, however when it starts to become serious full disclosure is best. And if it is a topic you don't want to discuss, a simple phrase like "it was a long time ago, and not something I look upon fondly, therefore I don't like talking about it." Tends to quiet the questions.

I wouldn't refer to prior marriages as mistakes, but that is me.

Children, even step-children should be disclosed since what if the child shows up on your door looking to live with you or for support.



Posted by: Raspberry

I did mention a couple of things here and there, that came out naturally, but Tanya could care less about elaborating, and went to the next subject.

As for the other side of the story, we ran into the ex-husband who was sitting on a park bench, clearly under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs. Just seeing him said it all, and I had no reason to ask her anything.



Posted by: GoingToRussia

It is my opinion but I think FSU women are more curious then American women, not insecure. FSUW tend to seek knowledge and therefore many questions about past relationships, your hobbies, your work, the weather, where you live, and such things we might think are trivial.

Congrates on the wedding! I wish you a lifetime of happy yeaars together.



Posted by: Cheburashka

Hey nflcolts, what would YOU do if on your honeymoon she let slip that she had been married more times than you knew and had children you didn't know about? How would you feel?

And then what if she threw out the line: I didn't want to tell you because if you knew about the past we wouldn't be looking to the future?

There is the whole "trust thing" after all...... She might wonder for the rest of your married life "I wonder what else he isn't telling me because I didn't ask".



Posted by: Ade

Hi,

I'd think everything of this nature would come out in normal conversations with an adult who was a prospective partner, especially when you're not a kiddie anymore.

What's to hide? It's the truth, and if it is stuff that is genuinely in the past, then the other person has to be able to accept that too if you're going to have a functional relationship.

Lots of people have 'history' that they wish wasn't so - but it is part of their lives, and to deny or hide it is to falsify yourself!!

Ade



Posted by: Manchester

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ade
Hi,

I'd think everything of this nature would come out in normal conversations with an adult who was a prospective partner, especially when you're not a kiddie anymore.

What's to hide? It's the truth, and if it is stuff that is genuinely in the past, then the other person has to be able to accept that too if you're going to have a functional relationship.

Lots of people have 'history' that they wish wasn't so - but it is part of their lives, and to deny or hide it is to falsify yourself!!

Ade


Ade [quoted] and easy target are 'right on the money' here.

Also, why do you seek to deliberately mislead her? Not classy dude!



Posted by: Spakoyna

In Other Words! Why Have SKELETONS IN THE CLOSET? !



Posted by: ira156

Hey NF. I couldnt imagine not telling my Nat. Would she show up here and suddenly find 4 kids i didnt telll her about....and they didnt come out of the cabbage patch. Were i live i occationaly see an ex girlfriend of mine who has 3 kids...her kids still come up to me and say hello and i still say hello to her.

You didnt ask the question of listing all your past lovers.....you refered to having been married before. If i were her i would think do you take marriage so flippantly that you "FORGOT" you were married???

All of us have ups and downs in life ...financially...emmotionally ect ect......your lady is moving to another counrty ...culture ect ect...she has the right to know the person who she is doing this for.

The past is the past and whats done is done...its your decision to dwell on it or not...but you cant deny it either. We are all adults and have had a life.....none of us just appeared out of nowhere and begun this endeavour.

I could get all paranoid about my ex girlfriends kids comming up and talking to me......instaed i am actually very proud that i left a good enough impression on them to have them still say hello ect.

We all have a past but we work for a future.....Cheers Mate



Posted by: bobjf

guys you do this for the future not the past
yes tell her major stuff but the rest only if she asks but also that it ia 2 way street.
the past cannot hurt you unless there is an issue thar affects your now,in that case its better out in the open.
nat & i do not delve into each others pasts unless something comes up in conversation & then we are just open about it.
only trying to hide something can hurt you.



Posted by: nocomfortzone

Not a great start to developing a relationship if you are not willing to share important stuff from your past that made you who you are today.
Not letting her know you had been married twice seems a big thing to conceal to me. I don't blame her for busting your balls. She should have put them in a vice. :-)
As long as you don't dwell on the past it is all good.

Quite clearly if you guys have been married before then not saying anything about it is a strange way of going about things. Just because you reveal you've had significant realtionship before does not mean you have to tell every little detail and go on and on about it. The present and future is clearly the most important aspect. As long as a person knows you've had relationships before that were meaningful and shaped who you are and you learnt more about how you like to be in relationships then i think just be an open book.



Posted by: 4x4living

Hi NF,

Infact i can't see any shame of being married two or more times before or having kids (may be yr culture didn't give the man whom married and divoreced two or more times a good look ?????)

i agree with the others that u should be proud of yr past life cause it made the man who r standing now.

for me i'd like to treat people as i like to be treated and since i'd like to know much as i can about my future wife so she had the right to know whatever she wants about me.

but u should be smart in timing, i mean that u should not go to tell about yrself in details from the 1st letter

take your time and when u find that she is the one so u can go forword and tell everything (important).

good luck



Posted by: inlove

Quote:
Originally Posted by nflcolts
I believe that if the information has no bearing in the relationship its just words! No need to froce the past into the relationship at hand. I would not feel comfortable asking questions about my RW past. Unless this was the subject of a conversation. I think every detail will show throughout the relationship. Unless you were in a intergation room you would not expect a normal conversation to start out by saying (Tell me about the persons you have sleep with during the past 20 years!) I am not saying that this question was ever spoken. I was only amased that I was back into a corner about my past. I want to know every detail about the lady I will marry. But I
understand that these details will present themselfs throughout the relationship. As I have said I am 40 years old and to tell about everything I have done in my life (good and bad) would take another 40! Then I would be dead or very close to death. I would rather spend my time building a good relationship rather than spending time talking about the past relations with other people! As I have said I would never ask, Who have you sleep with before you sleep with me? But I think woman in more so than men want these answers. I may be wrong to think or say this, but that is my conclusion. It is as if the woman are a little bit insecure about what they offer to the relationship. But I also understand that they will give up all that they have for the relationship at hand. So I take the questions with a grain of salt. I love my M and we will marry June 20. She has been approve for her visa. And these are some of the issuse that have been raised. But aint love grand?


You definitely don't have to disclose every single relationship you have been in before, or every single woman you have slept with before, but when it comes to kids and marriges, you should volunteer information beforeahead. This is important stuff anyone would want to know before deciding on the future of the relationship..



Posted by: Zmejka

Adding to everything above you should feel lucky that your lady passed the interview smoothly. If she didn't know about your first mrriage (only about the second) and the counsul asked her about your marriages (they like to ask questions to see how deep you know each other) and she would of course tell only about one marriage then she would get into a trouble, that wouldn't be a good sign for a counsul. I wonder why you didn't take that fact into consideration.
And i personally would take this as a matter of trust. He didn't tell once something quite important - will it be repeated in the future? But also i would look deeper into my own attitude to things - is my reaction so negative or so that he might be afraid to tell me the truth? How do i deal with what he has to say to me? Do i accept it or deny? So this is an issue for both to think about in my opinion.



Posted by: ira156

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zmejka
Adding to everything above you should feel lucky that your lady passed the interview smoothly. If she didn't know about your first mrriage (only about the second) and the counsul asked her about your marriages (they like to ask questions to see how deep you know each other) and she would of course tell only about one marriage then she would get into a trouble, that wouldn't be a good sign for a counsul. I wonder why you didn't take that fact into consideration.
And i personally would take this as a matter of trust. He didn't tell once something quite important - will it be repeated in the future? But also i would look deeper into my own attitude to things - is my reaction so negative or so that he might be afraid to tell me the truth? How do i deal with what he has to say to me? Do i accept it or deny? So this is an issue for both to think about in my opinion.



Well picked up Zmejka. I didnt even think about the visa interview ...hes very lucky.....once again imagine the embarrassment and trouble it could have caused during that process.



Posted by: weather-7

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
It is my opinion but I think FSU women are more curious then American women, not insecure. FSUW tend to seek knowledge and therefore many questions about past relationships, your hobbies, your work, the weather, where you live, and such things we might think are trivial.


Yes, they are normally curious. I always ask questions to get more information because I want to know more about people. At the same time I'm a very open person to answer the questions from the other side. I think people become closer when they trust each other and know everything about each other. And to the point, I'd prefer to know the information from my man and not from other people( especially if it's not a pleasant information)



Posted by: Spakoyna

Quote:
Originally Posted by weather-7
Yes, they are normally curious. I always ask questions to get more information because I want to know more about people. At the same time I'm a very open person to answer the questions from the other side. I think people become closer when they trust each other and know everything about each other. And to the point, I'd prefer to know the information from my man and not from other people( especially if it's not a pleasant information)


Yeap...dem skeletons do have a way of jumping out of the closet and screwing things up! That's why I don't have any in my closet! I have seen those who did and OUCH!



Posted by: nflcolts

Wow! I am still reeling from the toung lashing from some! I only meant this post to be helpful for some others during thier journey! I want everyone to know M and I have a very strong and loving relationship! And I also hope that everyone will be as lucky as I am! She will arrive in the USA 30 May. And on June 20 we will marry! I know that we both will continue to learn about each others past. And I also know that there will be no deal breakers! I do not have any children, only a step-son from a previous marriage. I agree I should have spoken about this, now man! But I was always taught if you do not have something nice to say, do not say anything! Also I was married 21 years ago for 1.5 years, this is nothing that would ever creep into our relationship! But again I agree that I should have talked to her about this. Been there done that, also I will agree that I have made mistakes along the way! I would only ask that the perfect person, show me how to walk on water! I only post my pearsonal travels in life, so that some will learn from my mistakes! But I also understand that when I stick my head out I should beware of someones ax! I only hope that each and everyone will find the person of thier dreams! I know that I have stumbled upon the most beautiful, and forgiving lady of my life!!! Good-luck all, and may you all find the treasure you seek!
nflcolts



Posted by: Cheburashka

Did I miss something? I don't see the tongue lashing on this thread. It seems like everyone posted their opinion..just what you asked them to do. And I gather from your reaction that you have no intention of telling her these things before you get married. So what? It's your life Colts and I hope you don't dictate it by what some people on the Internet have written.

Glad you found a great lady. We wish you all the best. Keep us posted on your progress. You deserve to be happy.



Posted by: nflcolts

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheburashka
Did I miss something? I don't see the tongue lashing on this thread. It seems like everyone posted their opinion..just what you asked them to do. And I gather from your reaction that you have no intention of telling her these things before you get married. So what? It's your life Colts and I hope you don't dictate it by what some people on the Internet have written.

Glad you found a great lady. We wish you all the best. Keep us posted on your progress. You deserve to be happy.



Hey I guess you did miss something ( The Boat! ) My M knows everything! You need to lighten up! And I hope that you are as lucky as I am. Good day!!!



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