Why Muslims are not welcome ?!!!

Originally Posted by cedarwind

4X4 There are some women on marriage agencies that are Muslim and are specificly seeking a person who is Muslim. I have seen a few on Elena’s models but I highly doubt there were virgins or very strict Muslim.

As for why they do not want a certain thing ……….there are also women who say they do not want the American or that they only want a man from big city…..or a man who is rich…..it is just there preference from there life experiences.

As for being Muslim my thoughts would be because the women are mostly Christians and Christians do not marry none Christians. Just like it is forbidden for a Muslim to marry a none Muslim

Muslims as a generalization treat there women as inferior and most Russian women are very independent and out spoken not the type that will sit home all day. They have seen movies and read books about how most Muslim women are treated and respected in Society and they want no part of it. BUT as I said this is a generalization and not every one will fit it.

Originally Posted by Spakoyna

My wife will be quick to point out if she thinks I am controlling! She will compare me to a Muslim man. Russian women endear their independance. I am sure not all Muslims are this way...but,from all the events in the world on the news Muslim men do seem to treat women the worst. Women's rights are at the forefront of all the crap going on in Afghanistan. Being as this situation is in the limelight so to speak because of how the Taliban men abuse women. It is no wonder!

Originally Posted by nocomfortzone

I would have thought it was obvious that some religious people don't want to live with people that are of other religions. There are anti-religious people and there are non-religious people. Lots of diversity in people in the world and some simply do not like diversity and feel better stick with people similar to them.
As we know in this world there are some extremists in various religions that are not into living side by side with others peaceful and so i suspect some russia women feel they would never consider being in a relationship with some one that is a muslim because some extremist actions at a school in Russia a few years ago scares them off. Who knows what is going through an individuals head.
The simple fact is when someone creates a profile for a dating site they are usually going to make some things clear on the type of things they choose to not have in a partner they want to be with and that is up to everyone to chose for themself. You don't have to like it but it is reality.
Just keep looking until you find the ideal match for you. Might not be easy but there is bound to be some female that is looking for a male just like you

Originally Posted by nocomfortzone

he he
it is not guys you have to explain your views to and religious influence on your life. It is your target female audience.
You are going to have to learn to best decide which parts of Russia are more likely to have women open to living with a man of your religion.
I suspect the ones where there is a mixture of muslim and other religious types happily living together.

Originally Posted by 4x4living

diversification is very accepted by muslims we love everybody since he show a good means ... one of my best friends are Christian


and offcourse she got the right to choose the characteristics of her partner

in my point of view she prevent her self from a good option called a muslim guy(which could be good or bad as any other person in the world)

Originally Posted by 4x4living

it depends

no body in the 1st meeting says: hi, what is yr religion?

Originally Posted by nocomfortzone

it took me some time to realise her calling herself a christian was different to someone in my country calling themself a christian.

Originally Posted by cedarwind

Yes it is very common for a girl to ask upfront or for it to be stated in your intro letter.

Originally Posted by I/O

4X4: You are dealing with a very difficult issue here. Some have commented that there will be a simple resistance to cross religious marriages and that is quite correct. There is people of your own religion who object to cross religious marriages. That is just a fact of life. But that is only one part of a very complex equation.

Recent world events have tarnished the Muslim community as a whole, whether rightly or wrongly, this again is a fact of life. There has been too many wars faught in the name of religion throughout the ages, Christian, Muslim Hinduh and so on. None of these are anymore justified than the next.

Regardless of my opinion or your opinion as to who is right or wrong or not, the simple reality is right now, the world in general is very suspicious of the Muslim community and the Muslim world has a very long road in front of it to change this view. It is up to the Muslim world to prove otherwise. Thus far, some elements of the Muslim world are not doing a very good job of proving otherwise.

The Russian women are well up to date on world events and form their opinions based on what they see and read. What they have seen of recent years doesn't show the Muslim world in a good light. Thus you will find quite a resistance to Muslim men among the Russian women.

There is another aspect which you should understand and that is this. There has been and still is quite an influx of seasonal workers from the southern states into Russia propper and many of these people are Muslim people. The crime rate from these people has been and is quite high and this does not sit well with Russian people. It may well be as much or more the nature of the people than the fact they are Muslim, but with current world events it does tend to confirm their suspicions regarding Muslim people.

Originally Posted by ira156

Firstly i think some of you religious guys need to read up about the Muslim faith...Muslims dont all live their lives like the Taliban.

There are degrees of faith just as there is in the Christian religion. Many Christians can marry outside their denomination. Not all Christians are ultra conservative or card carrying KKK members....not all Muslims are radical fundimentalists either....not all jews are ultra othodox.

4x4...Muslims from the FSU you will find much more westernsed than the muslims in the west. You can see from the posts there are many misconceptions when it comes to the understanding of the Muslim faith...the same applies when it comes to Russians perceptions of Muslims. They have had many bad experiences and memories of Afghanastan and Chechnea. Unfortunately many of the prostitution rings that exploit Russian women send there cargos to the middle east...Turkey and Egypt.

Russians and religion is a funny subject. For decades they were not allowed to openly display there religious beliefs....so those now you will find are not what many would describe as practising....even though they attend church ect.

Now when i say Russians here 4x4 i refer to the Slavonic Russians....the gorgeous ones on the sights with the blonde hair green eyes ect ect. Russians can also be not so much racist as racialy selective. They will often prefer a european or western man due to race....as opposed to a man that is black, arabic or asian. The younger ones in your agegroup however do appear to be less like this.

The point i was trying to make was that if there is a girl who is a virgin because of her religious beliefs....she will most likely NOT marry outside her religion...she has most likely strict Orthodox views. If your desire for a virgin is not because of YOUR religious views ( its just because you like the touch of virgins or an unsoiled girl) they will find it VERY OFFENSIVE.

You are very lucky that many Russians visit Egypt on holiday. You have the oppotunity to find out first hand by meeting some and getting first hand opinions.....but probably not from virgins.

PS....be very careful if you plan on visiting Moscow or ST petes in the near future. There is currently a wave of (anti-muslim looking) Uzbeks..khazaks ect from the government down to the Nazi skinheads. Take care and good luck.

Originally Posted by ira156

4x4 you asked the question and i have tried to give you one possible answer from the Personal experience i had talking to RUSSIANS. There are many examples on the dating sites where women will say "not muslim". This is not about a persons worth as a man...because they arent even willing to get to know you. If you dont tell them and they do fall for you ....when they find out they will consider you a liar and it will be over anyway.

Originally Posted by 4x4living

in general u can't judge a billion muslim for a mistake of 1% of them

Originally Posted by bingism

Hi 4x4
I live here in Bashkortastan and there are two religions, Mulsim and Orthodox. Unfortunately, many here see Muslim as a race and/or a nationality of people and not a religion - the other race being Russian!! They inadvertently associate the term Muslim with a certian appearance of person, rather than being totally objective about it. Yes, there is still a racist element to this and no, I do not agree with it!

Many of the Russian girls I've met here are just not attracted to what they call "Muslim"... sad, but true! Also, there is another element to this and it is the situation in Chechnya which has, for many political and propoganda reasons, used religious stereotypes to justify it's continuation. If you believed the propoganda, you would think that all Chechnyans are drug-taking criminals and rapists, who steal Russian girls to sell overseas.

It's a sad situation, but one that is unfortunately true. If you do, hwowver, still wish to look here for a partner, you could try places such as Bashkortostan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Kazakstan, etc, where I think you will find people are more open to religious differences.

Originally Posted by deccie

Some of the posts here do indicate how negative some of the perceptions of Muslims are without really knowing anything.

And it is also certainly true that some of those negative perceptions are held by russian women.

I moved to the Middle East for work purposes three months ago and I have certainly found my preceptions challenged too, especially in the way women are treated and expect to be treated.

Some general comments:
1. Many women here wear the abiya and some wear a veil over their face too.
This was very hard for me to deal with initially, until I realised that many wear conventional clothing underneath, including high heels! Many of the abiyas are highly ornate and decorated too. They just wear the abiya in the presence of men that are not husbands/family.

2. I have seen women boss around men, boss around their husbands, work in positions of management, drive and do pretty much any normal job they would hold in Western spheres. This degree of autonomy varies depending on the country in the Middle East.

3. The wedding dowry paid to women is here is VERY large by western standards. Well over $60K AUD. It takes either a lot of family help or many years for the man to save this money.

But there are too things that even with an understanding of how things are here are hard to accept. It is possible, despite what cedarwind said, for a Muslim man to marry a non muslim woman. The reverse is not allowed.

Originally Posted by Eryk

Russians are in general much more comfortable with stereotypes and generalisations than is acceptable in the western world. Naturally they will accept the fact that not all members of a given group are automatically the same however that does not change the pragmatic utility of a line of reasoning that goes:

"Some snakes are poisonous. Most are not, but those that are can be lethally poisonous. If you are an expert on snakes then maybe it is OK to distinguish between them, but if you are not then the only rational course of action is to treat ALL snakes with extreme suspicion. The fact that this is 'unfair' to the majority of snake species is completely irrelevant."

If it is any consolation, it is not just Muslims who end up stereotyped in this way. Georgians (Christians) are almost universally assumed to be criminals and most people above the age of 60 retain profound suspicions about the Germans.

Eryk

Originally Posted by deccie

4x4, I have no doubts that girls such as you would be interested in exist.

The main problem you have is that such girls would be very conservative and would be more likely to be involved in a marriage in their local area and have no desire to relocate.

I find it unlikely many would use the internet to find a relationship.

Originally Posted by AkMike

No one has mentioned the latitude changes about the Russian ladies. Tatysik and I have been to Egypt.( I proposed to her at Horugadh on the Red Sea.) There is NO WAY that we'd want to live in that HOT climate. For me it was bad enough to be there in the winter, I cannot imagine the heat of summer. Maybe the ladies feel similar?
I sought someone that was from a similar climate so they would love the climate of my home in Alaska.