Virgin Bride

Originally Posted by 4x4living

Hello All,

I'm a new member in this forum and i'm seking a russian bride but i need her to be a virgin.

I'd like to know also are the socity in russia accept the idea of that the girl should be virgin until she gets married?

and if it can found...which countries are most likely to search in?

Regards

Originally Posted by cedarwind

MMM I have the same feelings and I have been looking for 3 years I have spent more than $10,000 and so far I have only found 2 both are very very religious.

I have contacted more than 800 women to find those 2. It is much harder than the US to find this trait in Russia or FSU countries. You will need to look at young women 18 - 23 who are very strict orthodox but even then it is only a small chance. And mostly such women will not be found on a marriage agencies you will need to make trips such a mission trip that will let you hang out at church all the time.

And yes a very intresting first post.......

Originally Posted by Cheburashka

Interesting question for someone posting from Saudi Arabia. Maybe it is because you are going through an Amsterdam service provider that you feel hopeless for finding a virgin. There aren't many of those in Amsterdam.

My understanding is that there are plenty of nice Saudi virgins around. Have you been seeking locally? Are you Muslim? Help us to understand.

Welcome to the forum.

Originally Posted by ira156

Well 4x4. Most of the tyical Russian and Ukraine women that you see on these sites will be Othodox ( if they are very religious at all ). You may have some success in finding someone of your faith in one of the countries like Uzbek or Khazakstan. You will find it difficult (not impossible )to find a "typical Russian or Ukranian" thats a virgin and has the muslim faith that is impotant to you...but Good Luck

Originally Posted by 4x4living

Ira , by the way as a muslim i can marry to a chrestian or jews no problem

and regarding the Uzbek or Khazakstan i know nothing about them but sure i'll make a search to know a bout these countries better

thanks

Originally Posted by 4x4living

after i read the rest of the comments i know really that i'll need a very good luck , thanks I/O

Well, i cann't see any problem for having a good partner and she be a virgin also

and according why i want this it's very simple:

1 - the first of everything is unforgetable and got it's own touch.. so i want to be the 1st man in my woman life.

2 -I want a girl how has not become desencitised by sexual acts with others. and her 1st sex with me be a new and good experiance for her.

Originally Posted by Ade

Hi,

If you are serious, you may want to look at the southern Russian states and former parts of the Soviet Union; Azerbaijan for instance.

I'm going to ask, whether it's considered polite or not; are you a virgin? I still have some difficulty understanding, in situations where the man insists on a virgin bride but doesn't have to be a virgin groom, just who exactly they've been having sex with!

Regards,

Ade

Originally Posted by ira156

Yes 4x4..i understand that but if she is a virgin and has chosen to be so because of her religion SHE may not wish to marry out of her faith.

Originally Posted by ira156

If you are wishing to find a virgin for your religious beliefs ( which i still dont get):

Originally Posted by royalpalace774

Hi 4x4 I just started reading your thread and it's just my opinion but I think finding a virgin to marry is almost an impossible feat in today's world unless she is verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry young.

And then come the statisticks of success marrying a young women and wondering if the day will come when she wants out because she just realized she married too young and hasn't experienced life at all.

I have a friend at this very moment who married a young women when she was 19. They had a child 2 years later. The girl is 31 now and is starting to stay out all night with her girlfriends going to nightclubs while my friend is sittin home watchin the kid. My friend also said to me he is pretty sure she is even sleeping with other guys now. he has not had sex with her in 5 months. NOT A GOOD SIGN I WOULD SAY.

He told me he has had enough.

Just a story I wanted to share with you. Maybe you will get lucky and have everything turn out as you please. But I think it's kind of hoping you win the lottery and you just never get that winning ticket.

But everyone of us have our own wants. And if that's what you want than so be it. It's your life and you can do as you please whether you get what you want or you dont.

GOOD LUCK 2 U!

Originally Posted by 4x4living

after review all yr comments i can agree with u that it's very hard to get what i want from russia and usa .

but the good news i can get it from the middle east .. here is comman that u marry a virgin girl .. 95% of girls are virgins .

i wish u a good luck too

Originally Posted by I/O

4X4: If you believe 95% of unmarried girls in your country are virgins, my friend you are sadly deluded.

Russia itself has quite a goodly number of Muslim people. Certainly the southern adjacent states will have a higher percentage, but the Ural areas up through UFA and such places will have quite a number of Muslim people.

I have listened to you reasoning in favour of a virgin bride and frankly it smells very much to me of someone who is afraid of sexual comparison. I think you have some issues in that area to resolve before you are ready to seriously consider marriage.

Originally Posted by cedarwind

Are there many Christians or are they all Muslim.

I once worked with a women from Egypt who had immigrated to the US with her family. She was a interesting person she had some different values and how she thought the world would work. But she was slowly becoming Americanize.

Originally Posted by cedarwind

If you wish some enlightening from a Christian point of view try this web page

http://net-burst.net/singles/premarital.htm

Originally Posted by ira156

Hey Cedar...i dont need converting...i always try to understand why people think the way they do even when i dont agree wth them. I have pondered this subject long and hard and cant PERSONALY get my head around it.

If a woman that is not a virgin is good enough to be accepted by GOD himself...she should be good enough for you....unless your standards are higher than his.

I respect your beliefs and your right to have them...i just dont agree with them.

Originally Posted by cedarwind

I wasn't trying to convert you……

You stated you did not get it so I was under the impression you were trying to understand the reasoning…..

So I gave you a resource for understanding were the beliefs and thoughts originate from…..

Originally Posted by 4x4living

the 95% is a fact i know

Originally Posted by 4x4living

Hi royal, well i agree with yr statistics and that could be applied to the middle east too

about the story of yr friend i had no comment ..just asking from God to never put me in this situition

after review all yr comments i can agree with u that it's very hard to get what i want from russia and usa .

but the good news i can get it from the middle east .. here is comman that u marry a virgin girl .. 95% of girls are virgins .

i wish u a good luck too

Originally Posted by 4x4living

well, I'm Egyptian and yes i'm muslim

and i stated why i need to be virgin in my last post

Regards

Originally Posted by 4x4living

in general u can't judge a billion muslim for a mistake of 1% of them

Originally Posted by I/O

Quite correct, but I am not giving you opinion on what is right or wrong. What I am suggesting to you is how the majority of Russian women will perceive Muslim men. That is what you are up against.

Originally Posted by I/O

And you have medical evidence to support this? Perhaps you have slept with all the unmarried women in your country so you can be certain of this "Fact".

Originally Posted by inlove

Well.. with modern advances in plastic surgery virginity is a very easy thing to obtain. A lot of Muslim women in Russia doing just that, somtimes many time over. It takes no time and does not cost much either.

Originally Posted by Texas Proud

4 x 4

ok... We now know that you are Egypt, Muslim and searching for a virgin bride... but I have not read how old you are and if YOU are a virgin.. but I don't care..

I doubt you will find what you want. You are going against to many negatives. As I said in your other thread... they KNOW about Egypt men and it is almost always negative... they have many friends that went there and got accosted by them all over the place... I was shocked how bad they were... it was my worst vacation I have had in my life and I have been to a number of countries..

I will say this on this time and stop writing... you are out of luck... find your woman in whatever country you live or go back to Egypt and look for one there that shares you beliefs..

Originally Posted by 4x4living

Hello All,

I'm a new member in this forum and i'm seking a russian bride but i need her to be a virgin.

I'd like to know also are the socity in russia accept the idea of that the girl should be virgin until she gets married?

and if it can found...which countries are most likely to search in?

Regards

Originally Posted by I/O

4X4: The bottom line is that you have no idea who is a virgin and who is not. One that particular issue, you are spruking nonsense. You obviously have no evidence to support your claim, because there is no such evidence. The Muslim girls, just like the Christain girls are NOT quite the little angels many would like to believe.

I suggest you get over your fettish for virgins and start doing a reality check. Your chances of finding a virgin bride as a Muslim man in Russia are next to zero, therefore, as a bit of advice, I'd suggest you don't waste your time.

Originally Posted by 4x4living

Originally Posted by ira156

Well 4x4 seeing you have had a variety of virgins before and werent able to keep one ....maybe it says something about "your abilites"... i might have a donkey in your eyes but it looks to me like you are walking.

Originally Posted by Spakoyna

I know this is not politically correct. But I have to ask. Is this why so many Muslem women are murdered by their family if they loose their virginity? Even if they are raped????????

Originally Posted by 4x4living

if they lost there virgity.... yes

but if raped.... no

by the way that happens in money other cultures in the south of italy that could happens in spain also and in christians also in arab contries

Originally Posted by 4x4living

well i have 3 news for you 2 good and 1 bad

the 1st: i wasn't including you with the ignorant guys .. u were a gentleman in all of your replaies





the 2ed: you r n't riding the donkey




the 3rd is the bad one







you are the donkey

looooooool

Originally Posted by ira156

Unfortunately 4x4 you have just reinforced the steretypes that the so called "ignorant ones" had. Better a donkey than an ASS.

Originally Posted by bingism

Hey Ira, what's wrong with ASSES????? Janna has I lovely one and mine's not too bad either.....!!! sorry, just couldn't resist lol

Originally Posted by ira156

LOL. Hows it going Bing...good i hope. You sound a lot more cheery than a few weeks ago.

Originally Posted by Texas Proud

4 x 4

ok... We now know that you are Egypt, Muslim and searching for a virgin bride... but I have not read how old you are and if YOU are a virgin.. but I don't care..

I doubt you will find what you want. You are going against to many negatives. As I said in your other thread... they KNOW about Egypt men and it is almost always negative... they have many friends that went there and got accosted by them all over the place... I was shocked how bad they were... it was my worst vacation I have had in my life and I have been to a number of countries..

I will say this on this time and stop writing... you are out of luck... find your woman in whatever country you live or go back to Egypt and look for one there that shares you beliefs..

Originally Posted by ira156

Unfortunately 4x4 you have just reinforced the steretypes that the so called "ignorant ones" had. Better a donkey than an ASS.

Originally Posted by 4x4living

Originally Posted by Spakoyna

I know this is not politically correct. But I have to ask. Is this why so many Muslem women are murdered by their family if they loose their virginity? Even if they are raped????????

Originally Posted by Spakoyna

I know this is not politically correct. But I have to ask. Is this why so many Muslem women are murdered by their family if they loose their virginity? Even if they are raped????????

Originally Posted by sidney

I'm curious about muslims and the subject of virginity. Why is it so important?
Isn't one of the rewards for jihad suicide with death to infidels (nonmuslims) rewarded with dozens of virgins in paridise.
Sid

Originally Posted by 4x4living

Hi Sidney .. if u readed last posts for me u can find why it's important for me to marry to a virgin

Everybody got his own reasons and i've said mine

regarding the jihad suicide, there is nothing in the islam called jihad suicide

but i know that u r talking about suicide bombers.

these guys isn't not only muslims, they can be any other religion

remember the kamikazi guys from japan

Originally Posted by Cheburashka

I know that if I was a teenage Muslim girl who had lost her virginity in a heated moment of passion, I would immediately go tell my strict parents....NOT!

95%....riiiiiiiight! I'd love to know how that is a "fact" 4X4. Maybe in mosque someone yells: "Everyone who is still a virgin raise your hands". I am sure 95% of the hands would go up.

Originally Posted by Cheburashka

Just a general admonishment in order to keep this thread open:

No personal attacks. And we probably should walk carefully around the Islam/suicide/jihad/virgins topic.

Originally Posted by waiting123

Alright,


Come on now, we can discuss religion without attacking anyone, anything, or any symbol. Religion is always one of those touchy subjects.

Lets try and keep this thread civil, and be cognizant of others feelings and beliefs.

Originally Posted by nocomfortzone

Get rid of your religions, be happy ,caring and enjoy life with other people

Originally Posted by deccie

And what about mosques Cheb, after your own post?

Mosques are a sensitive topic too.

Originally Posted by Cheburashka

[B]It's not the building that is holy. It's the God that inhabits the believers who congregate there who is holy.

Originally Posted by Cheburashka

Once again I ask you to please read what I wrote Deccie. I never said that we shouldn't speak of those things. I said be careful.

And 4X4, as a Christian I don't believe that ANY PLACE is "holy". But if anyone wants to believe that a building or a piece of ground is holy, go right ahead. The Middle East is full of spots that men believe contain spiritual power and are willing to die for. It's sad. I guess that's why so many snake-oil-salesman evangelists get rich selling "holy water" from certain rivers and "sacred dirt" from Jerusalem.

It's not the building that is holy. It's the God that inhabits the believers who congregate there who is holy.

Originally Posted by waiting123

Why cant we all just get along

Originally Posted by ira156

Probably Waiting because the guy asked for advice regarding virgins and elaborated that it wasnt for religious reasons but because he likes the touch ect. You try to give advice and he refers to us that dont have virgins as having Donkeys. I respect Cedar and others reasons even if i dont agree religiously. But Mate forget religion RUDE is RUDE and an INSULT to people that are trying to help .

Originally Posted by deccie

Ira, some of the posts posted by you and others were completely denigrating the guys views. Of course he responded likewise.

He could well have phrased why he wants a virgin in a better way and as I too have pointed out to him a lot of what he wrote would be viewed as degrading to women to us.

However, to be perfectly blunt, as I/O likes to be, it is none of our business why he wants a virgin. If he wants one FOR HIS WIFE then he is perfectly entitled to do so.

Rudeness has many appearances in different societies. It would, as I have pointed out, be considered rude for me to wear shorts in public here. However many western tourists do and they get away with it. BUT IT DOES EFFECT HOW OTHERS (locals) PERCEIVE THEM. In other words, the locals exhibit tolerance to something they find offensive. Why don't you do the same?