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). You seem like a super person too, and a person of real quality, with a capacity to love. (by the way, did you know that in computer language, that >> << means a smile? It is a sideways smile. I didn't know if you knew that. So, whenever you see me type then you know that I and sending a smile I am very open when I am with someone I am close to, and I can talk about anything. But I have also been told that I am a very considerate and attentive listener (for communication, both listening and accurately expressing your thoughts and feelings are important). But, certainly with someone that I am close to, like someone who I am in a relationship with, I definitely am open with my thoughts and feelings,and am willing and able to talk about anything. And I really like intimate open and free discussions with the person who I am most close to (which I would want to be with my wife or the woman who I am in a serious relationship with). I am pretty open-minded to new cultures and ideas, and to exploring new things. Yes. I consider myself both romantic and passionate when it comes to the person who I am with. I am also a very devoted person, and believe in considering my spouse's feelings and thoughts. I do like to do romantic things like going out for dinners, planning something special for the person that I am with, as well as writing poetry for them when I feel inspired. I have a poetic and artistic spirit that I also express towards my relationship and to the person I love. Actually, I think that physical affection is a way that I really like to express affection. But I also like to express affection through my words (and actions too). Well, again, in this are I believe in balance. I really believe in respecting the person who I am with, and that each person is an equally respected person. I do consider myself a leader, and am someone who the person I am with can lean on and depend on emotionally and spiritually and in other ways. I also sometimes like for the person that I am with to be there for me if I need them emotionally or in other ways (maybe this is what I mean by a commitment to each other, where both people feel supported when they need that love and support). I don't like to "Dominate," and yet... I do have a solidness about my personality. I think that I am quietly strong, strong in a kind and not forceful way (which perhaps corresponds to my meditation and spiritual practice), and at the same time I respect the person who I am with. But I can definitely make decisions, and make important decisions that need to be made, and I do take a leadership role in a relationship. I really am committed to the relationship and to the person who I am with, and I will definitely lead in the relationship if I feel that, for example, something needs talked about in the relationship, or if there is something that we need to do to make the relationship stronger or happier or healthier. But, I don't like to "Dominate" or have power over a women, if that is what you are asking. I really do believe that both the man and the women are equal partners, and should give each other equal respect and consideration (and love, or course and a safe place for everyone in the family. (By the way, I think that I would be a patient and loving and good father for my children-- I see to relate to children very well). ... there is also something else that I wanted to let you know. In America, in most families, both the husband and the wife work. Maybe this is because that in general both the husband and the wife need to work to pay for the expenses of living in America. I did not know if you knew that. I think that this might be different in Russia, but I would love to hear about your thoughts about this. What are you feelings about the roles of a man and a woman regarding working. In America, it is also normal for both the man and the woman to share in taking care of the house. I actually do like to cook sometimes, and I can cook some nice things. I like to be creative when I make food. I also like to jointly cook dinner, and enjoy that closeness too. But... in the relationships that I have been in, I have felt comfortable that I also shared in helping to keep the house clean, washing dishes, etc. In America, it is not considered unmasculine for a man to help out with house work and cooking What are your thoughts about that? I think that the expectations regarding a man's and woman's duties are different in Russia than they are in the United States. But, again, I believe in equal respect, love and honor for both the man and the woman..... I hope that this long letter helps you to get to know me better. I just really wanted you to try to understand American culture a bit more, which I know is different than Russian culture. But, I think that human beings, at their essence, are the same. Everyone is a child of God, everyone feels the same kinds of feelings, and everyone wants love and are here on this earth to learn and grow and to learn spiritually in this world. .....I also really believe that one of he most important things in a marriage is that each of the persons in the marriage is really open to hearing and understanding the other's point of view, and that both people are committed to resolving any issues or disagreements that come up. Of course, there will be issues and disagreements that come up in all marriages, because the husband and wife are two distinct human beings. But if both people are committed to the marriage and to trying to understand the other and to love and respect the other, and if they are committed to lovingly resolve any problems that come up, and especially if they approach things spiritually and if they each try to have a close relationship with God, then I really think that they can overcome anything that might come up and that God will bless their marriage and lives with happiness, love, and the blessings of life.... I look forward to your thoughts and feelings in your next letter.
I would love to receive and read your answers. Are you a happy person? Are you shy or outgoing? Do you like to smile and laugh, or are you a more serious type of person. (those types of questions) Please feel free to describe your character traits to me too How would you feel being with someone who is 13 years older than you? and... I believe that I have trust that God will bring the right person and me together. What do you thin about this idea? I do understand that as human beings, we need to make choices, but... I truly believe that to want to do God's Will is really to choose to bring the most peace and love and happiness and joy into our lives. And for an important decision like marriage, I truly want God to guide me and to choose who is the right person for me, and tell both me and my future wife and to confirm in our hearts and spirits and minds that we are the right ones for each other and that we are meant to be married. I believe that the happiest marriage will result this way. no, your desire to please and to love will not be too much to handle.. I actually really like that quality.. and I really feel that you we are compatible in the fact that you consider yourself a little bit shy... for some reason, I am very drawn to that quality (as well as other qualities that you have mentioned). thank you for the sweet kiss.. I really believe (and like) that you are a kind and warm-hearted passionate person. I would like to see your smile (perhaps that chance will be in person, or perhaps that first chance will be in a picture that you send me). is... I wanted to ask how many men have you been sexual with? So please write me. Let me know, please. , especially since you have not written back yet, but there is something inside of me that says that you are interested in me (still), and that perhaps there is some reason why you have not contacted me yet. Perhaps you are reflecting on our phone conversation, or perhaps some emotions for you have come up, but...
(and that's why that you were not there to receive my phone call). I just wanted you to know that in America, we pretty freely talk about such things as old boyfriends and girlfriends, and even about sexuality. But, I am learning that in Russia, that you don't really talk about those kinds of things too openly. So.. please don't think that I was inappropriate in asking that question about your past boyfriends and about your sexuality. I asked because it is something that someone would normally ask here in the U.S., and.. I really wasn't aware that in Russia, you don't really talk about those kinds of things. So... it was because of a difference in cultures Actually, I think that we will probably notice some other things that are because we have grown up in different cultures.
And I wouldn't have to send you more money again for a while. ] I really want to see them I am interested and eager to hear what your deep thoughts are. But I also want you to know that I consider myself romantic and loving an creative and engaging too By the way what is your purfume? The same can be said about me. as well as the furniture!!! But I also want you to know that I consider myself romantic and loving an creative and engaging too Please write ..... Though, I don't I know that being sexually attracted to someone and loving (I know that you have I don't know if it is best for you to tell your postman to That is how But, somehow, I feel But, I do look forward to seeing you in ... This really feels like a unique feeling for me. Please tell me how you feel, sweetie ).|
From: T. To: Khashyar Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 10:05 PM Subject: Olga from yekaterinburg That`s very interesting. I received the excact same e-mail from Olga, except her age she told me was 25. If you want to know more contact me privately. T. |
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Hello T., Yes, please tell me more about Olga.. I will send you her photos so that we are sure that this is the same woman. Feel free to call me too, so that we could possibly talk about her about our experiences with her. My cell number is: 323-xxx-xxxx and my home number is: 323-xxx-xxxx At least I can help others not be scammed. Khashyar |
| "I came from such a loving family that I never had any doubts about the honesty of feelings of others. I had always believed that love was forever. Love was never just a word for me. First of all I would like to tell you that I am not searching for a pen pal, this means my intentions are to find a life time partner. I am missing holding and hugging someone who would be my partner, my soul mate from now until eternity. I simply want to love and be loved. I would spoil my beloved husband with romance, friendship and my love. It's very important for me: a happy life together, love, harmony, honesty, loyalty and confidence. I just want to find a man who will make me stronger with all of his masculine qualities as I beatify his life with all my feminine qualities. " |
| "I came from such a loving family that I never had any doubts about the honesty of feelings from others or from myself. I had always believed that love was forever. Love was never just a word for me. First of all I want to tell you that I do not search for a pen-pal, this means my intentions are to find so quick as possible my partner for life.I am missing holding and hugging someone who would be my partner , my soul mate from now until eternity. I simply want to love and to be loved. I would spoil my beloved husband with romance, friendship and love. It's very important for me: a happy life together, love-harmonie-honesty-loyalty and confidence. I just want to find a man who will make me stronger with all of his masculine qualities as I butify his life with all of my feminine qualities. " |
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From: Khashyar To: feedback (at) elenasmodels.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: possible fraud by one of your Russian women advertised on your Elena Model's website Dear Elena, I purchased your service whereby my name and photograph was listed on your website for Russian Women to browse through, as well as sent to other agencies. One of the women who responded to me, Olga C., seems to have 2 different profiles in your Elena's models catalogue. ID numbers: 01242 (Olga) and 00126 (Irina) Can you please tell me if these are in fact the same person? They are from the same city, and have some of the exact working on their profiles. If this is the case, then you may want to ask her to remove one of her profiles. And if this is the same person, it seems suspicious that she is going by 2 names. I have reason to believe that these are the same person (with one profile going by "Olga", and the other profile going by "Irina" It is interesting that the second profile name is Irina, because "Olga" told me to send her money to her "Aunt's" account, because Olga said that she didn't have a bank account of her own. This is Olga's address (as she gave me): Russia 620049 Ekaterinburg [STREET DELETED] For: C. [LAST NAME DELETED] Olga Olga told me that this is her aunt's name: H. IRINA A. I am hoping that Irina's (who has a profile with you) real name is not H. IRINA A., because if that is the case, then Olga had committed fraud with me in wanting me to send money to her aunt H. IRINA A.'s bank account. I sent Olga $100 to cover the cost of corresponding with me, and I have not heard from her for the past week, even though before that, she was writing me every day or two or every 3 days. I hope that I am very mistaken about this. Would you please clarify this for me? I would appreciate your help with this. Thank you very much, Khashyar D. STREET ADDRESS Hollywood, CA 90068 |
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From: Khashyar To: feedback (at) elenasmodels.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 5:56 AM Subject: re: possible fraud by one of your Russian women advertised on your Elena Model's website Hello again, Another thing that seems suspicious to me, is that Olga told me that she was studying art history, and "Irina" lists as her profession "historian of arts." This is from Irina's profile: "I came from such a loving family that I never had any doubts about the honesty of feelings of others. I had always believed that love was forever. Love was never just a word for me. First of all I would like to tell you that I am not searching for a pen pal, this means my intentions are to find a life time partner. I am missing holding and hugging someone who would be my partner, my soul mate from now until eternity. I simply want to love and be loved. I would spoil my beloved husband with romance, friendship and my love. It's very important for me: a happy life together, love, harmony, honesty, loyalty and confidence. I just want to find a man who will make me stronger with all of his masculine qualities as I beatify his life with all my feminine qualities. " and this is from "Olga's" profile: "I came from such a loving family that I never had any doubts about the honesty of feelings from others or from myself. I had always believed that love was forever. Love was never just a word for me. First of all I want to tell you that I do not search for a pen-pal, this means my intentions are to find so quick as possible my partner for life.I am missing holding and hugging someone who would be my partner , my soul mate from now until eternity. I simply want to love and to be loved. I would spoil my beloved husband with romance, friendship and love. It's very important for me: a happy life together, love-harmonie-honesty-loyalty and confidence. I just want to find a man who will make me stronger with all of his masculine qualities as I butify his life with all of my feminine qualities. " There is something really suspicious regarding these two profiles, and if this is the case, then... you might want to do something so that your customers are not subject to possible fraud. Thank you very much for your kind attention to this matter, Khashyar Darvich |
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From: Elena's Models To: Khashyar D. Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 7:37 AM Subject: Re: possible fraud by one of your Russian women advertised on yourElena Model's website Dear Khashyar, Thank you for your information regarding those 2 profiles. Profile 00126 has the name Irina H. While it is possible that 2 women use similar wordings in their profiles, especially if they are friends, and their photos do not look the same to me, we do not allow our female members to ask men for money. We inform men beforehand that they must not send money to women, for any purpose. Thus, we are removing both profiles. Thank you for letting us know. You can request to replace address of Olga C. Sincerely Elena Petrova Elena's Models http://www.elenasmodels.com =================================== M o s t b e a u t i f u l R u s s i a n g i r l s |
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From: Khashyar D. To: Elena's Models Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 7:52 AM Subject: Re: possible fraud by one of your Russian women advertised on yourElena Model's website Hello Elena... Thank you very much for you email and quick and conscientious response. What seems suspicious about these two profiles is that Olga said that her aunt's name was H. IRINA A. And you mentioned that Irina's name was: Irina H. [the same first and last name] And Olga said that she is studying art history, and Irina H.'s profession is listed as "historian of art." I am just so sorry that some people are not honest, but... I think that your service is a very good one, and that you act very professionally, and I appreciate you removing their profiles so that others are not misled. Just to correct one thing: It was I who offered to send "Olga" $100 so that she could pay for correspondences with me. She gave me, as her aunt's name, H. IRINA A. (which apparently is actually Olga's real name, and I guess her bank account). Soon after I sent her the $100, she stopped writing me, even though she expressed great affection and positive feelings before that. Do you feel that under NO circumstances should we send a woman any money? (Even to help pay for their correspondence with us??) Thank you again for your kind attention and professional approach. Khashyar |
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From: T. To: Khashyar Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 2:10 PM Subject: Re: Olga from yekaterinburg Hello Khashyar, Thank you for your reply to my e-mail. Sorry to tell you, but yes she is the same person. The first letter is excactly the same. The other ones are a bit different. In one of my letters I asked her about a meeting in vienna in december and she said yes. But than she asked me for $100 dollars for a passport and some more money for a visa. In our letters she liked to talk about sex and how I`m the one for her. If you continue with her be careful. I stopped writing and haven`t heard from her since. That was a few days ago. By the way I have the same photo of her. Good luck Tony I attached one photo she sent me. |
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From: Khashyar To: Olga Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2001 2:45 PM Subject: so, Olga knows Tony too, and was asking him for $100 for a visa? Well, Olga (or Irina) (or whoever was writing all of these emails). Were you a prostitute? That day, did I actually speak to your boyfriend or husband? I talked to a Tony who said that you liked to talk about sex, and that you were writing him up until a short while ago. Are you a group of people who are trying to scam people out of money? Your behaviour gives Russians a bad name. I know that you must feel ugliness in your conscience, and I am sorry that you are taking actions that are going to make you less and less happy. I wish you happiness, and I hope that you (or whoever is operating this fraud) learns that what you are dong is wrong. Because this will come back to you and haunt you. Unfortunately, you wil experience unhappiness because you are hurting people. I am going to add your name to an anti-scamming list, so that others don't fall prey to your fraud. I gaive your name to the American Immigration office so that they know about you, and I may go and research to see if there are any Russian agencies that I can give your name to. I hope that you change what you are doing because I want you to be happy in life. Peace and Blessings to you, Khashyar |
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(received BEFORE December 4, 2001) From: [Olga, but from a different email address than before] To: Khashyar Sent: Wednesday, December 31, 1997 11:29 AM Subject: From Olga with Love My dearest Khashyar! I am seriously ill and lay in the hospital . I`ve a pneumonia. I will saty in the hospital for 1 week more. It`s a pitty but I couldn`t let you know about it, because my parents are both at work when the computer service is working. But today my Mom have a free day and I gave her this letter and she wil send it to you, my sweetheart! I think of you all the time!!!! I understand that you could think that I stealed your money !!!! I know that the computer service have another adress: (OTHER EMAIL ADDRESS)@mail.ur.ru You are always on my mind, Khashyar!!! Today was the happiest day of my life: I received books from you!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are at home and my mummy bring to me to the hospital your cards, photos, sand from the California beach, she told me that you sent so many books that it will take many years for me to read all of them( in English I read slowly)!!!!!!!! You make me so happy!!!!!! Thank you very much, my darling!!!!!! It`s the greatest gift for me!!!!!!! You make me feel happy for the first time till I am in the hospital!!!!!! You can answer to this adress, I hope my Mom will bring your letter to me. I want to be healthy on my birthday! I want you to come here to visit me! I want to be with you and to lay down on the sand together hand in hamd, I want to fell your lips on my lips(((((my Mom doesn`t understand English .....Khashyar, please, write me an e-mail and as soon as I will out of the hospital we will talk over the phone,O.K.?I love you very much I send you millions and millions of sweet kisses You are in my heart and on my mind!!! You are my california Sun You are my everything Yours Olechka |
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From: Khashyar To: T. Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 5:19 PM Subject: Re: Olga from yekaterinburg Hello Tony, I hope that you are doing well. I wanted to send you an email that Olga just sent me on December 4. I also wanted to ask you about a couple of things. I will include Olga's email at the end of this letter, but Olga wrote me and told me that she has been in the hospital with pneumonia, and I am trying to figure out if she is telling the truth or not (without being rude to her). I also recently sent her a package of books for a birthday present. Could you please verify whether these are the email and mailing addresses that she gave you? I am trying to understand whether someone might have used her name and profile (or whether her agency did), and it was not really her who may have contacted you or me. The email address that I HAD for her (apparently she wrote me that it has changed) was: [Olga's old email address] << was that the same email that you used to communicate with her? And, also, she gave me this mailing address: Russia Ekaterinburg 620049 [STREET ADDRESS] For: C. Olga Is that the mailing address that she gave you? I'm bond not to believe nor trust "Olga" anyway, because when she told me that she did not have a bank account, she said that her aunt did, and I found out from Elena from Elena's Models that Olga's second profile on the Elena's Models website was under Olga's aunts name, and so I am thinking that her aunts name might in fact be Olga's real name. (Messy, I know But, here is the email that Olga sent me on December 4, and I would love your feedback on it: (Also, if you feel o.k. with it, would you mind sending me the email where Olga says that she is 25? If you felt comfortable sending me any other email that she sent you that had a similar style of writing of the emails I sent you, then I would appreciate it so that I could convince myself that your Olga and my Olga were the same girl. I'm probably not going to pursue anything anyway, but... the first thing I want to do is to confirm that Olga was definitely in the hospital.) Here is Olga's last letter: *** [I insert olga's last "hospital" letter to me, above in the previous post, here in the email] *** What do you think? I would appreciate any feedback that you might have, so that I can understand if in fact she is telling the truth or not about having been sick. Thanks, and good look with your search for the right person, |
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