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Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

I met my woman 4 years ago and saw her last January. We had great time and I am convinced she is the best of people. I sure respected the woman as just a super person and honest who lives a forthright quality life. Well during my visit her mother had heart surgery and they sold their flat for smaller apartment to pay for heart surgery in St.Petersburg Hospital. Well she was able to pay for her mother's surgery and get things squared away. Sasha has been telling me that it is very difficult to find job in Odecca right now.DOes anyone know anything about this. She tells me they are closer toa revolution in Ukraine and everything is bad from government to woman trying to get a job. Sasha's mother has a stroke in December and she borrows 1250 from her mother's friends son.She tells me the man she borrowed money from is going to foreclose on her mom's property if she does not pay.He also tells her she can marry him to get out of debt to her mother.She told me she loved me so I believe her. She does not know what to do.With My job I can start to pay 100 USD/Week January 20th and pay 100USD A week Every week for 12 weeks until debt is paid.Does anyone know anything about Ukraine laws over there.This is terrible news.She has not even borrowed money for longer since december 15th. If we start payments before one month I should be ok right.I think I am paying the loan shark off very fast at 100/week. Its the best I can do right now.Is Ukraine that primitive we have women "MY WIfe" thinkng she will have to marry someone she does not want to over 1250 bucks? What the f do you guys think. I can say I am making contact with two lawyers in Kiev and one attroney working in Odecca to see wtf is going on.I also will speak with my taxi driver whom I also believe is a man I can trust and he knows sasha too.I feel we should have no problem since I will pay the crap off fast..I am shocked she told me this. He basically told her she will return all money in two weeks or he will do everything to take apartment from her and her mother.She feels like she might have to marry him to live. Does this really happen in Ukraine.I told you she is great woman.WOwo!!My wife feels she has nochoice but to marry.I got lucky myself as it was just today I found much better monetary situation for myself and work.I am lucky to haveq a way tp pay for this crazy things. I must pay for my wife or she will have to marry into a bad deal because she says economic conditions are so crappy it is almost impossible for her to get a job in Odessa.SOme freaking weirdo is trying to take advantage of the situation.WTF do I do??? Help!!


Posted by: Chrismc

That is a very odd situation Sammy, I think if it was me I would try and talk to the taxi driver friend you have and one of the lawyers in Kiev first before doing anything. It all sounds a bit weird to me and I doubt he could actually do what he is threatening, but then again I do not know Ukrainian law and there are some weird things that happen over there.

I am sure someone on here will be able to give you better advice though before the weekend is over.

Goodluck with the situation
Chris


Posted by: Cheburashka

Sammy,

Did you say that you wife thinks she will have to marry another man to pay a debt? She cannot be serious! And you can't even be thinking about believing such crap. She....is....your...wife!!!!!!


Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheburashka
Sammy,

Did you say that you wife thinks she will have to marry another man to pay a debt? She cannot be serious! And you can't even be thinking about believing such crap. She....is....your...wife!!!!!!


Actually Cheb I don't think they are married. I thinks he calls her his wife but I am sure I remember somewhere reading they were not married.

Things may have changed though?


Posted by: GoeastLJ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha
I met my woman 4 years ago and saw her last January.


That is 12 months ago, Sammy. What has been happening since then? Emails, sms, phone calls? What are the long term plans? Have your communications been smooth - What were the next steps in the relationship and when?

Well, I have been to Odessa and Kiev (November 06) and I didn't see anything remotely resembling the doomsday scenario you so vividly describe. Ukraine has opened up to the West and it is currently one of Western Europe's best friends. And US's as well because of the Black Sea military cooperation.

Sammy, have a word with your lady. Doesn't sound like good news, because if what you are saying is true, what will stop him from marrying her if you pay the 1250USD? That is a small fortune in Ukraine.

Sorry mate, and good luck. Please keep us posted.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

You might want to check out this website. It gives the latest economic stats news for the Ukraine. You can also get the same info for a specific region and city.

http://ukrainetrek.com/Ukraine_Economy.shtml

Good luck!


Posted by: Pin Boy

that link is pretty dated. i think i had found that site in my many searches. doesn't give much anecdotal info about the type of situation sammy is describing.

pb


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pin Boy
that link is pretty dated.


Then find something more current.


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

So 1250 is a small fortune in Ukraine. Yeah, that is why she is so depressed.I have no problems and we have good letters to each other.I am going to call my taxi man and even get a back ground investigation going for my own self. I myself had no way to pay for the surgery until I make job changes and get hired with new company.I am sitting here going now I can pay this stuff so there must be a way to save the flat so to speak.In the past 12 months I waited 3 months to complete her passport and she went ot Kiev to do her medical test and other papers.The medical test has expired and I needed her to scan her passport so I can send correct photos for my I-29F Forms.THis is were I am at and now her mom's surgery money.I have not spent that much over 4 years to help her I would say 2000.Last year I gave her 275 for her mother.I told her in my letter I have spent more money than this man so she owes her life to me first!I think What my woman is really saying is get your crap together and get me with you.I got it together now. I also have problem of her mother.Is she to leave her mother of poor health back in Ukraine so I am willing to wait for her.I hopefully she writes me and says the new payment plan will work.I told her we have small problem with the Russian Mafia I see.Now that I am making better money I am going to do the background check too.My Brother says she is "rooking" me for money and I hate to admit it but what if he is correct?I have only 1200 more USd to risk on a woman I reallly believe in and I honestly felt was just a good person when I see her in Odessa.I know she loves me.
WHy stop before the last 1200 many men bet that in football on a weekend and lost it.I guess I will find out if she is loyal to me the man who spend all the big money on her or the man with the 1250USD. I hope I can write about how all this is good news.I thank you for your input.I hope my
payment plan is good enough for the vierdo who wants to buy my wife from me.(Me and Sasha)We told each other at dinner we are Husband and wife. And we call each other Husband and Wife so we must be married.At least I have the opportunity to make more money so I can offer to buy my wife back from the Russian Mafia.This is messed up and my head is spinning on this one.I really don't think Sash would give me bunch of lies. I pray she is just saying get it together or I am gone with other man.I happy I got the plan in action to save the day.She sends nice e cards for all holidays SHe sent me wonderufl New Years Card and everything too so it is all so quick.These russian babes can use psychological warfare to sweet talk the man into doing whatever they want without the man knowing she is controling him. Thats how good they are in Psychology.This should never be under estimated.I think it is funny I told Sasha She is mine as I have spent more money for her than this man. I will keep you guys posted on this one.Thanks for listening to me.Lucky to have all Russian/ American blog center to bounce ideas of people and see if answers will help a problems solution be more clear.If she leaves me I will not feel it is my fault.She only owed money for month and half at this point and I will pay of big parts shortly and have the man finished with 100/week That should be good enough!If she leaves me then she must be not telling me the truth about something.So now I pray for her to say we will make it just like I know we can now too,Her letter makes it sound like she should have all money by 2 weeks and I can only start to pay 100/ week in 2 weeks.Bottom line is if she loves me she we will be together.There are to many things I can't to control in this situation and it make men go crazy. I keep you all posted.This is crazy story though.Imagine that another crazy story in my life:0
It is not the burdens of today that drive men mad,it is regret over yesterday and fear of tomorrow. Regret and fear are the twin thieves that rob of us today.


Posted by: Pin Boy

just stating a fact, gtr.


Posted by: Pin Boy

so sammy, please clarify, (the run on sentences and no paragraphs are hard to follow), why is it that you have not visited in a year? and why did the medical exam expire? seems she could have had a visa about 6 months ago. why the delays?

just my opinion, but i think something is fishy. good luck.

pin boy


Posted by: markgm

She is right about work over there. As for revolution no. If she borrowed money from private person and no documents he will not be able to forclose on the property.
As for marrying someone else a good woman over there would tell them to get stuffed first before betraying her partner in that sort of manner.

And guys 1250us is alot for some there but is not really that much in Ukraine especially Kiev or Odessa.


Posted by: GoeastLJ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha
.I guess I will find out if she is loyal to me the man who spend all the big money on her or the man with the 1250USD. .....

This should never be under estimated.I think it is funny I told Sasha She is mine as I have spent more money for her than this man.


I would be disappointed if a woman made her choice of a man based on who spent more money on her. From what you are saying, the money is a big thing for you in this particular case. I am not trying to underestimate it, but 2000USD over 12 months can sometimes be hardly noticeable. Anyway, I am trying to say focus on the causes. Try to see why you are in this situation.


Posted by: Chrismc

Sammy try and speak with that Lawyer in Kiev if you can and you are sure he/she will give you impartial advice, but from what I am reading now it sounds to me like Sasha is getting fed up with waiting for you to go and visit her again or get her visa sorted out.

But keep us posted as two heads are better than one!


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by Pin Boy
just stating a fact, gtr.


Just stating you should do something instead of complain pb.


Posted by: Pin Boy

wasn't complaining and i will not engage in a peeing match.


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

You guys are great!! I am a loser dude with no plan.I figured it out that money will fix everything.I took out a loan to get there last year because I believed in this one ok. I knew I need better paying job the whole time.Where i live it stinks and is worse than that,but I did find a way to make the money and I am all over it like any good man would be.I think Chrismc is right and hopefully she will see I have answer to the problems and can fix things buy simply making more money.I take all your advice and will runwith it and yes I will keep you posted thanks for the help ok!!I am too worried to type correctly my hands are shaking ok I am freaked out right now


Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha
You guys are great!! I am a loser dude with no plan.I figured it out that money will fix everything.I took out a loan to get there last year because I believed in this one ok. I knew I need better paying job the whole time.Where i live it stinks and is worse than that,but I did find a way to make the money and I am all over it like any good man would be.I think Chrismc is right and hopefully she will see I have answer to the problems and can fix things buy simply making more money.I take all your advice and will runwith it and yes I will keep you posted thanks for the help ok!!I am too worried to type correctly my hands are shaking ok I am freaked out right now


Sammy

You are in a very difficult situation here. I have read most of your other posts concerning this relationship and I know you are/were really into this lady.

If she is telling the truth you need to find a way of getting over to see here again asap and then work on getting her to your country asap. This is very difficult to do without some serious money. Also you will have to sort out all the other problems she is facing, again you may/will need money to do that.

If she is fooling you and wants you to pay just because of the length of time you have messed her about then you have to forget about her! I am sorry but there is no easy answer to this, one way or another you need to find out what is the truth and what is fictitious and then take action accordingly and as quickly as possible, especially if she is telling the truth.

Do you know any of her friends on a good enough level to be able to speak with them confidentially without her being aware of this for now? If not, it will be difficult to resolve without actually speaking to her face to face to find out what is what!

The ball so to speak is now in your court! I think you know this,but there are so many answers required now to resolve these issues, personally I think a trip over there is warranted and probably long overdue.

Goodluck with whatever you decide to do.
Chris


Posted by: GoeastLJ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrismc
Sammy

The ball so to speak is now in your court! I think you know this,but there are so many answers required now to resolve these issues, personally I think a trip over there is warranted and probably long overdue.


I can't agree more. This is a long haul process and requires money. Those of us in Europe are luckier, but still, the cost of travelling is just a small fraction of what is required right from courtship to marriage. Average costs have been discussed elsewhere in this forum. Taking loans might be tricky if you don't see a way of paying these off soon as you may need to spend so much more when your loved one is finally with you. IMHO, money is one parameter that most people looking for an FSU partner take for granted, i.e. it goes without mentioning. I don't mean that people are rich, but that there is an expectation of investing both time and money. Fighting with emotions is enough without having to worry about money.


Posted by: Jill

This is so fishy.....Yes, it is hard to find work in Ukraine, yes some people are very dissatisfied with life and the government, but there is is no revolution nor will there be. People learned their lesson from the Orange Revolution's brilliant failure. Anyway....

Who is this guy? He can NOT foreclose on her proprty unless he has a legal contract and he certainly can not force her to marry him! He can bully her and try to coerce her and perhaps he is making the threat of foreclosure in an attempt to coerce her into marrying him? But he wouldn't have a legal leg to stand on.

Either your wife is extremely naive, or this guy has made more serious threats to her than she has told you about, or she is taking you for a ride....


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

My darling Sammy,
Thank you for your mails, I hope you and all your family is fine
there. It is not so good situation by my side. But before I tell you
of it, i want you know how I love you.
I saw the man who helped with mother's surgery. He asked me when I
will be able to return money, and I said that I don't know. So he said
me that if I will not return money during next two weeks he will do
everything so take apartment where my mother and I living now.
Or he said me to become his wife and he will forget about this money.
I was so shocked. I said him that I love another man and see my future
with him, but he was just smiling me in return. Oh, my darling,
my loving Sammy, I don't know what to do, I was crying during last
few hours. I don't want to lose you, I love you and you are my husband,
but after thinking of so many hours, I understand that I can't to find
this money during next two weeks and also you have problems there,
and it means that I have only one way, just to become his wife.
NO, NO, NO,I even don't want to think of this, I love you and want to
be your wife. So I am so depressed!!! My darling Sammy, I know that I can
lost you after this letter, but I want you know that I love you more thenlife!!!
Love you,Your wife forever




This is the mail guys.......Things were bad but not this bad......I have been telling her I can and will fix our problem. SUre if enough I can.Dammit isn't the 20th of January acceptable for payback.I got her letter on the 6th.I am really wacked out now.I have lost my parents so nothing can kill me as I already lost the my parents to cancer.I don't think she wants me gone.Like I told you she doesn't know the good news about job yet.My mail to her before I got her mail I said to her stuff like I never had more motivation to do well and good news on job will be soon so I hope she is just prodding me to kick ass.any thoughts on this mail?


Posted by: GoeastLJ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha
This is the mail guys.......Things were bad but not this bad......I have been telling her I can and will fix our problem. SUre if enough I can.Dammit isn't the 20th of January acceptable for payback.I got her letter on the 6th.I am really wacked out now.I have lost my parents so nothing can kill me as I already lost the my parents to cancer.I don't think she wants me gone.Like I told you she doesn't know the good news about job yet.My mail to her before I got her mail I said to her stuff like I never had more motivation to do well and good news on job will be soon so I hope she is just prodding me to kick ass.any thoughts on this mail?


It is difficult to know what is behind all this, but can you read between the lines in her letter? She could be trying to get you to move.

I am in Kiev from Friday 12th Jan for 4 days. If there is anything I can do to help....

Good luck.


Posted by: Jill

Well, this is what I would do. Ask her to send you a copy of their signed contract/agreement re: the loan and say that you know a Ukrainian lawyer to whom you will show it. She what her reaction is. If she says there is no written agreement/contract then explain to her that there is NOTHING that he can legally do (such as foreclose on her property). If there is a written agreement/contract, what are its terms? The whole thing stinks to high heaven, if you ask me.


Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jill
Well, this is what I would do. Ask her to send you a copy of their signed contract/agreement re: the loan and say that you know a Ukrainian lawyer to whom you will show it. She what her reaction is. If she says there is no written agreement/contract then explain to her that there is NOTHING that he can legally do (such as foreclose on her property). If there is a written agreement/contract, what are its terms? The whole thing stinks to high heaven, if you ask me.


Great advice Jill......Sammy you have to ask these questions and call her bluff! If she is for real she will do whatever it takes to give you the information you seek, if she is lying then you have your answer don't you.

OR get onto that Lawyer you know in Kiev first thing Monday morning! and tell them the whole story, see what they advise.


Posted by: Cheburashka

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jill
The whole thing stinks to high heaven, if you ask me.


Amen sister! I apologize for being the turd in the pinchbowl here Sammy, but my opinion is that the whole thing is a lie and you are being set up. Maybe she is playing games to get you to come there, maybe you have already lost her and she is setting up a scam. But I can't imagine in my wildest dreams that any woman who professes such love for you could ever be so quick to marry another man.


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Great advice indeed. THe first thing I need to do is stop shaking and calm the heck down. I made a choice to marry this woman so I must have some faith in her. I also know my woman very well.I write her everday so she knows everything to say to me to get me going.I truly think she wrote that letter to light a fire in my seat. My letter before she wrote that letter I told her how my love for her would save the day and make our problems go away.Well I think she took a hold of that thought and is using it to crank my engine up a little.I am going to trust in myself and my choice of her. See I told her I would be able to help with mother's surgery and pay in payments but it took me extra 30 days to get a new job.My woman is all business ok. She is so serious about everything all the time.I need to remember to act like a man instead of a little boy on this matter. She knows I would not leave her ok.I write her everyday for 4 years almost ok and I mean everyday!! I know she can always read my mails so I wrote her like you guys said and will not hear back for a week or two as usual.I should take that letter for what it is worth. I feel her telling me sammy I love you but times are so bad over here and right now I can't to get a job and my mother needs help what am I to do. Either you help me or I must look out after me and marry some man I do not love just so I have food and help for my mother.Thats the killer for me.She told me she is between poor and middle class as her father has passed for some time now.I just do my best.I never planned on a Ukraine woman it just happened. I know for a fact she got money from the man on November 24 so it has not been 6 weeks even. When I wrote her before she wrote me she had no solid plan from me to pay the man back. Now I can give her dates of payment and everything so I will trust in my decision.I am still shaking ok. I was shaking when I gave her the earings too and ask her to marry me. SHe told me she could not get loan from house so I have strong feeling there is no paper work involved in this matter.I feel she is just tired of me not knowing when I can pay to help ok.I told her I wanted her to be my wife so I better trust in my feelings on this one.I will do everything you guys say too as two heads are better than one.I am not crying in my beer anymore and believe me I am crazy in love with this woman ok.I will instead be thankful I have a much better paying job and a way to get her out of this trouble and finish our papers and get her to me.I am still going to call lawyers and my taxi friend Monday.Perfect timing for me to have aweek off before the new job starts. Listen people, I am sorry about such poor grammer from a university educated person.I am flat out just shaking ok from my insides out and I am sure most of you have been there.I am going to wake up and be a man about everything and follow up on everything and find comfort in the fact I did the best I can do everyday for her and I have a wonderful Black Labrador who will never leave me.I am not drinking alcohol or doing drugs so I have a clear mind and I need to thank God for the opportunity to save my woman and just be the best man I can be every day.This is my plan. This forum really helps me get worry and sadness out of my system and I always read all the posts and I thank RMP for a place to get great advice from people who go through the same situations.Your input is very valued and keeps my head level.I am in rural America and I can't talk with anyone about this as they would just say I told you so dummy.


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoeastLJ
It is difficult to know what is behind all this, but can you read between the lines in her letter? She could be trying to get you to move.

I am in Kiev from Friday 12th Jan for 4 days. If there is anything I can do to help....

Good luck.

I don't speak Russian except for 6 words I learned in Odecca, I talked with the taxi driver and it was difficult to understand over such distance but he knew I was asking about Sasha.Maybe you could call him when you are there.I can give you my phone card info so it will not cost you anything ok.Her mother had heart surgery on January 30, 2006 in St. Petersburg Russia. There should be a way I can verify this. I truly believe the surgery happened ok. Her mother also had sugery for her stroke on Novmeber 27th in Odessa too. I should be able to verify this.
I have her old work number and try to ask man there if he knew where Sasha was. I hate Russian because I can't understand it at all. He was telling me something.Do I need to get a private investigator. I have her previous address before her mother's surgery. She told me open heart surgery costs 4500USD IN st. petersburg Russia. My WOman also told me she has a passport that she made this past year so I should be able to verify this too.
It is not a money issue now as I will be able to do whatever I need. I do not want to fly back to Ukraine. I myself feel there is nothing there for me besides the woman.After the letter she wrote I am busted in half of course. I got pain interfering with my head and heart. I would gladly pay all for her but I need to make sure on this one as it is significant money. I kow most people spend that on a bar tab.
I am asking anyone to give me some insight on how to discern truth from lies.Would investigator help me on this one? I need someone who speaks good russian to talk with Viktor the cab driver and to call her former place of work for me.
The kicker is why would my woman write that crap about thinking her only option is to marry this man.Thats just garbage in my opinion.
I am doing alot better today and I can feel some of my heart in there somwhere loves me very much. I ask God to Kill me last night and I am still here.This woman really messed me up.If she is telling the truth I sure want to help all I can.I will not be some fool either. It was great to feel that piece of me heart that loves Sammy only!! I wonder how long I will be messed up.I wish I knew how to find out answers.She has no Internet and has to go to Cafe' just to talk with me.I will ask her for a phone number to call her.
IN my opinion I just want to know if her mother's surgeries are real or not for sure. I would appreciate any help from anyone!! Thanks


Posted by: Cheburashka

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha
She told me open heart surgery costs 4500USD IN st. petersburg Russia.


WOW! Where did she get this "surgery" done for only $4,500 USD...WALMART! Open heart surgery????????????? And this was done in St Pete and not Kiev????? Think Sammy!

She is pulling your leg so hard you are going to have to get new pants!

And since I'm already being an a$$, Sammy you have been in love with her for four years and have only learned six words of her native language?????????????


Posted by: inlove

Sammy,
Quit playing a keyboard Romeo. If you love this woman as much as you tell us, than pack your bags and go to Ukraine. You have a crisis on your hands that needs immediate attention, and you are not going to resolve it seeting in front of your computer.


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheburashka
WOW! Where did she get this "surgery" done for only $4,500 USD...WALMART! Open heart surgery????????????? And this was done in St Pete and not Kiev????? Think Sammy!

She is pulling your leg so hard you are going to have to get new pants!

And since I'm already being an a$$, Sammy you have been in love with her for four years and have only learned six words of her native language?????????????


Yes man, She told me open heart surgery in St. Petersburg would cost her between 4500USD to 5000USd ok. SHe sold her flat to pay for that one and then her mother and her bought a smaller apartment with the proceeds from the sale.If you know this to be false than tell me one more time.
she also told me to graft a new vein in her mothers leg the surgery would cost 1250.If she is not telling the truth on this is ok as long as I know the truth.Are you sure you are right on surgery prices in St.Petersburg? I appreciate your help even if you are poking fun at me ok


Posted by: inlove

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha
Yes man, She told me open heart surgery in St. Petersburg would cost her between 4500USD to 5000USd ok. SHe sold her flat to pay for that one and then her mother and her bought a smaller apartment with the proceeds from the sale.If you know this to be false than tell me one more time.
she also told me to graft a new vein in her mothers leg the surgery would cost 1250.If she is not telling the truth on this is ok as long as I know the truth.Are you sure you are right on surgery prices in St.Petersburg? I appreciate your help even if you are poking fun at me ok


My father had similar surgery on his leg last year. They inserted a new plastic vein because of blockage. The cost was a little bit above 30,000 rubles, which is roughly the same amount she is telling you.
I would think $4500 would be right for the open heart surgery.. Health care is much cheaper in Russia, than it is in the US.


Posted by: Khashyar

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jill
Well, this is what I would do. Ask her to send you a copy of their signed contract/agreement re: the loan and say that you know a Ukrainian lawyer to whom you will show it. She what her reaction is. If she says there is no written agreement/contract then explain to her that there is NOTHING that he can legally do (such as foreclose on her property). If there is a written agreement/contract, what are its terms? The whole thing stinks to high heaven, if you ask me.


Good advice, Jill.

I completely agree with you.

If she did not sign into any written contract with this man (if the situation is real), then he cannot just take her apartment away.

Also, from this man's perspective... why would he want to force a woman to marry him. I am sure that there are many prospects for marriage for him in Ukraine. Why would he force a woman to marry him to pay back a loan?

Ask for the signed lona agreement, and perhaps hire someone you trust in Ukraine to meet this woman and see if this is real.

Good luck,

Khashyar


Posted by: Khashyar

I just finished reading all of this thread...

If you have written (and received letters) from your lady friend for the past 4 years, then I would esxpect that you have some sense of her character, etc...

I am wondering why you have not gotten married after 4 years of communicating with her? Is it because of finances?

I would do what some others have said: If you cannot yourself go to Ukraine now, find someone who will act in your interest and go speak with her: a lawyer in Ukraine, perhaps the owner of a marriage agency in Ukraine. Perhaps someone in our forum with connection in Ukraine can suggest someone for you to contact.

Is the person she was dealing with part of the mafia? If not, then how can they put that much pressure on her?

You need someone on the ground in Kiev and to meet with her and find out truly what is going on.

Good luck,

Khashyar


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Quote:
Originally Posted by inlove
My father had similar surgery on his leg last year. They inserted a new plastic vein because of blockage. The cost was a little bit above 30,000 rubles, which is roughly the same amount she is telling you.
I would think $4500 would be right for the open heart surgery.. Health care is much cheaper in Russia, than it is in the US.



I love this site brother's and I respect all people in here who have advice.I obviously have much on my mind at this time. I think we all would feel horrible if the woman we are crazy about says she can't wait forever. I am not a loser type of man and I may have sent my woman a few too many letters.The men in here are lucky ones too because there can be no woman like the FSU ladies.My Sash will not leave me. She just can't write or call all the time.
I am so grateful for the help here. In my town people think I am crazy and these same people cheat on their wives. Silly me why get married then! My Woman was trying to light a fire in my rear and little does she know but I have enough get-r-done in me for her that I do not need any extra motivation. No woman could write her words without feeling them. After I get the vein surgery paid for things will become perfect in my relationship.
I told her we will start my sid epapers before january is up too so this is good thing. Obviously I have been acting like a little kid lately, but only because my wife can bring me to my knees like no other. I am sure she feels bad about it too but My Ukraine woman can secretly motivate me and I am afraid sometimes because I know she is an expert on Psychological things. Sometimes I wonder if I am an experiment.She raped me mentally when I met her in Odecca to.
When a woman like that loves you, you can tell it is real and forever. This is a great start to know she is honest with prices. This is a four year process for me. I do not Russian to things fast. It took me long time to make sure before I went to see her. I found myself with a woman I just love to sit and enjoy talking with and wow I never have that before in my life. I hope to put a good final chapter on this story.I plan on being truthful in here with how this Sammy and Sasha saga ends. I also told her I was sorry about not having my crap together sooner but I also told her of course I would get everyting so we can be together.
I think you guys would agree it is very easy to do anything for the woman you truly love. It takes a mother load of trust on both ends when you are 6500 miles away.I have felt further away from girlfriends in the states and never feel closer than to my Ukraine babe!!!


Posted by: GoingToRussia

I wish you good luck with your lady Sammy. When all this is settled, e-mail her the G-325As for her signature and date. Work with someone over there or go there yourself for her signature. If you go there also take another form for her signature. This other form is the only one that requires an original signature. I'll find out what form it is and let you know.

If she balks on a signature or gives a reason she doesn't want to sign, then she may not be true to you. My wife didn't sign the forms and told me she wants to marry someone else. She told me this about 2 weeks ago. We will be getting a divorce. I knew her for almost a year and I thought she was the real deal.

As I said, I wish you only good luck with this but please be careful and protect your heart. You have a good chance to have a happy ending ... keep fighting!!!

Settle down and try to keep a clear head.


Posted by: Khashyar

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha
I love this site brother's and I respect all people in here who have advice.I obviously have much on my mind at this time. I think we all would feel horrible if the woman we are crazy about says she can't wait forever. I am not a loser type of man and I may have sent my woman a few too many letters.The men in here are lucky ones too because there can be no woman like the FSU ladies.My Sash will not leave me. She just can't write or call all the time.
I am so grateful for the help here. In my town people think I am crazy and these same people cheat on their wives. Silly me why get married then! My Woman was trying to light a fire in my rear and little does she know but I have enough get-r-done in me for her that I do not need any extra motivation. No woman could write her words without feeling them. After I get the vein surgery paid for things will become perfect in my relationship.
I told her we will start my sid epapers before january is up too so this is good thing. Obviously I have been acting like a little kid lately, but only because my wife can bring me to my knees like no other. I am sure she feels bad about it too but My Ukraine woman can secretly motivate me and I am afraid sometimes because I know she is an expert on Psychological things. Sometimes I wonder if I am an experiment.She raped me mentally when I met her in Odecca to.
When a woman like that loves you, you can tell it is real and forever. This is a great start to know she is honest with prices. This is a four year process for me. I do not Russian to things fast. It took me long time to make sure before I went to see her. I found myself with a woman I just love to sit and enjoy talking with and wow I never have that before in my life. I hope to put a good final chapter on this story.I plan on being truthful in here with how this Sammy and Sasha saga ends. I also told her I was sorry about not having my crap together sooner but I also told her of course I would get everyting so we can be together.
I think you guys would agree it is very easy to do anything for the woman you truly love. It takes a mother load of trust on both ends when you are 6500 miles away.I have felt further away from girlfriends in the states and never feel closer than to my Ukraine babe!!!



Hi Sammy,

I wish the best outcome for your circumstance, however....

1) I would have someone who is in Kiev verify that all these reasons that she is asking for money is true before taking out a loan to send her money

2) I feel uncomfortable with your description of being raped psychologically. You want to feel loved, and not "raped" or played with psychologically. That description gives me an uncomfortable feeling.

Please let us know how things turn out.

Khashyar


Posted by: inlove

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha
I love this site brother's and I respect all people in here who have advice.I obviously have much on my mind at this time. I think we all would feel horrible if the woman we are crazy about says she can't wait forever. I am not a loser type of man and I may have sent my woman a few too many letters.The men in here are lucky ones too because there can be no woman like the FSU ladies.My Sash will not leave me. She just can't write or call all the time.
I am so grateful for the help here. In my town people think I am crazy and these same people cheat on their wives. Silly me why get married then! My Woman was trying to light a fire in my rear and little does she know but I have enough get-r-done in me for her that I do not need any extra motivation. No woman could write her words without feeling them. After I get the vein surgery paid for things will become perfect in my relationship.
I told her we will start my sid epapers before january is up too so this is good thing. Obviously I have been acting like a little kid lately, but only because my wife can bring me to my knees like no other. I am sure she feels bad about it too but My Ukraine woman can secretly motivate me and I am afraid sometimes because I know she is an expert on Psychological things. Sometimes I wonder if I am an experiment.She raped me mentally when I met her in Odecca to.
When a woman like that loves you, you can tell it is real and forever. This is a great start to know she is honest with prices. This is a four year process for me. I do not Russian to things fast. It took me long time to make sure before I went to see her. I found myself with a woman I just love to sit and enjoy talking with and wow I never have that before in my life. I hope to put a good final chapter on this story.I plan on being truthful in here with how this Sammy and Sasha saga ends. I also told her I was sorry about not having my crap together sooner but I also told her of course I would get everyting so we can be together.
I think you guys would agree it is very easy to do anything for the woman you truly love. It takes a mother load of trust on both ends when you are 6500 miles away.I have felt further away from girlfriends in the states and never feel closer than to my Ukraine babe!!!


While the surgery prices seem right, it does not automatically mean that she is telling you the truth. It is hard to imagine that someone would force her to marry him for the sum of $1250. There is something wrong in her explanations. You have to sort it out face to face.


Posted by: Cheburashka

I stand corrected Sammy. Inlove was right. Apparently open heart surgery is waaaay cheaper than I thought. Look here:

“An open heart operation under extracorporeal circulation without inserting implants produces net costs of US$ 5000–6000 in Russia. In former days, the respective hospital carrier would pay for the whole procedure and this sometimes still is true today. The patient, however, might end up being operated upon with a non-disposable foam oxygenator in use since the sixties. The tubing required for extracorporal circulation as well as cardiac catheters and cannulae then will have been resterilized repeatedly. In other instances, the patient pays a basic fee of US$ 1000, the hospital carrying the rest. Finally, the easiest access for patients to open heart surgery is for him to buy all the equipment necessary (including angio films and cardiac catheters) either in the hospital supply shop or in a downtown store! If a heart valve prosthesis is required it likewise may be bought by the patient ($ 2000 for a Western, $ 500 for a Russian valve). Purchase of equipment by the patient is widely practiced and, in fact, has prevented temporary collapse of the annual operative program in at least two Russian centers I visited.”

http://ejcts.ctsnetjournals.org/cgi...t/full/14/3/223

“$4000 gives the gift of life with a mechanical heart valve to replace a failing one”
http://www.heart-2-heart.org/fin_contrib.html


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Quote:
Originally Posted by inlove
While the surgery prices seem right, it does not automatically mean that she is telling you the truth. It is hard to imagine that someone would force her to marry him for the sum of $1250. There is something wrong in her explanations. You have to sort it out face to face.


I know Scammers are out there.I don't care about the money at this point. If I go down in flames, it will be much bigger emotional kill than anything but I can probably recover in time from that.I could be the biggest sucker in the world.If there is any wrong doing on her end well its gonna come out of the woodwark now isn't it.Beautiful, I trust in Sash.
I called out the calvary on this one.I can't do everything I need to do by myself. Just like today when I called Odecca to talk with Victor (the taxi man friend of Sasha) it was almost impossible to communicate with the terrible connection and me not being able to speak Russian.I have got an attorney in mind to do business with called Astropov Lawyers in Odecca Ukraine.#380 044 494 17 56 so I am ready here. I sent an email explaining the situation. These lawyers have not replied for some reason.
I am praying that if I start payments on January 20th and pay 100 for each week it will satisfy someone that she is going to pay the bill.
What I will need for sure is someone who can speak Great Russian and I know there is plent of this here.I would be happy to provide the paid calling card pin numbers whatever. I will only ask this at last resort to get her started with papers. Guys it is impossible for me to talk with anyone. I have numbers from her old work and I call and say Breviat and thats as far as I can go with the conversation. I remember being reduced to a two- year old status in Odecca.Can't read can't write.....I can't do either now but anyway.
This makes me happy I have some help on this one. I am just waiting now as I asked the woman about everything.I know she checks her mail once a week or so.
In my letter before her last letter I had a pretty good idea of how I was going to get us outta this mess over there and I told her that with her as my motivation I could get anything done so I hope she is laying it on thick here in classic psychological warefare style so to speak.SHe has asked me exact details of the master plan and I had to say I don't know and I am sure that was not what she wanted to hear.I had to make sure I can do what I say I am going to do before I speak to her as we all know you don't play games on serious matters with a Russian woman.
I read the help I have here every post ok. I feel like I got friend power if stuff really gets bad here. I talk with my own family here and we all agree that if I do the payment plan I said she should be ok from foreclosure.SHe only had money borrowed since November 27th. we both agreed she should do this,so I guess I already volunteered to cover this one,imagine that
Once I get her outa Jail so to speak then I want to hit phase two and triple check everything going on here.Rational being, I must save her she is my woman but I will also love Sammy too and make sure we are both honest in everything.I wouldn't even attempt this if I wasn't sure but I have heard too many people say do all the checking on this one.At most this way I am risking a couple hundred bucks and not taking a chance with my wife's life.
I am very fortunate to be able to have such knowledgable help when I truly need it here.I am happy there is Russian meeting place to help me help myself.I think many people are glad they can get answers somwhere on the planet. Sasha and myself thank all of you so very much.


Posted by: inlove

Sammy,
i suggest you hire a paid translator to communcate with people in Russia. Guys here use translators all the time. Maybe somebody can recommend a good one.


Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:
Astropov Lawyers in Odecca Ukraine.#380 044 494 17 56 so I am ready here. I sent an email explaining the situation. These lawyers have not replied for some reason.


Remember it their Christmas and New year break over there now, most companies do not go back to work until around the 10th of January.


Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha
I know Scammers are out there.I don't care about the money at this point. If I go down in flames, it will be much bigger emotional kill than anything but I can probably recover in time from that.I could be the biggest sucker in the world.If there is any wrong doing on her end well its gonna come out of the woodwark now isn't it.Beautiful, I trust in Sash.
I called out the calvary on this one.I can't do everything I need to do by myself. Just like today when I called Odecca to talk with Victor (the taxi man friend of Sasha) it was almost impossible to communicate with the terrible connection and me not being able to speak Russian.I have got an attorney in mind to do business with called Astropov Lawyers in Odecca Ukraine.#380 044 494 17 56 so I am ready here. I sent an email explaining the situation. These lawyers have not replied for some reason.
I am praying that if I start payments on January 20th and pay 100 for each week it will satisfy someone that she is going to pay the bill.
What I will need for sure is someone who can speak Great Russian and I know there is plent of this here.I would be happy to provide the paid calling card pin numbers whatever. I will only ask this at last resort to get her started with papers. Guys it is impossible for me to talk with anyone. I have numbers from her old work and I call and say Breviat and thats as far as I can go with the conversation. I remember being reduced to a two- year old status in Odecca.Can't read can't write.....I can't do either now but anyway.
This makes me happy I have some help on this one. I am just waiting now as I asked the woman about everything.I know she checks her mail once a week or so.
In my letter before her last letter I had a pretty good idea of how I was going to get us outta this mess over there and I told her that with her as my motivation I could get anything done so I hope she is laying it on thick here in classic psychological warefare style so to speak.SHe has asked me exact details of the master plan and I had to say I don't know and I am sure that was not what she wanted to hear.I had to make sure I can do what I say I am going to do before I speak to her as we all know you don't play games on serious matters with a Russian woman.
I read the help I have here every post ok. I feel like I got friend power if stuff really gets bad here. I talk with my own family here and we all agree that if I do the payment plan I said she should be ok from foreclosure.SHe only had money borrowed since November 27th. we both agreed she should do this,so I guess I already volunteered to cover this one,imagine that
Once I get her outa Jail so to speak then I want to hit phase two and triple check everything going on here.Rational being, I must save her she is my woman but I will also love Sammy too and make sure we are both honest in everything.I wouldn't even attempt this if I wasn't sure but I have heard too many people say do all the checking on this one.At most this way I am risking a couple hundred bucks and not taking a chance with my wife's life.
I am very fortunate to be able to have such knowledgable help when I truly need it here.I am happy there is Russian meeting place to help me help myself.I think many people are glad they can get answers somwhere on the planet. Sasha and myself thank all of you so very much.


Sammy

For whatever reason you seem to have lacked motivation or the will to get things moving on this in the past 4 years, maybe it was for cashflow reasons, probably so, but as I said in my earlier posts, Sasha is now starting to get fed up with the time wasting, 4 years is a long timne to wait for someone, esecially when as far as I know you have only actually met once in that time.

It is now time to get your self in gear and start making things happen, if she is for real, you will loose her soon if you do not, if she is not legit you need to get someone local to start checking things out. It seems like you have started to accept that now by contacting a local lawyer, but it may also be wise to get someone local (non legal) who can also check things out for you.

Maybe your taxi driver friend, but you do need someone who speaks Russian to start getting answers for you asap, you cannot do this all from the US, try and get a translator who can speak with your Sasha or your taxi frend at least.

I have the name of a Russian lady who does translation services, she lives in the US and will translate phone calls for you if you want the information, but there are also plenty of guys on here who will also have that sort of contact information, where are you based in the US, do you know anyone in your own city who speaks Russian fluently who would help you?

Sammy for your own sake, start getting things moving in all directions, otherwise you will either loose the love of you life or get scammed, neither one you want to happen!

Chris


Posted by: royalpalace774

Marry somebody to get out of a debt. That is the craziest sh-t I ever heard of. And This is just my opinion but I think this girl knows you good enough to push your buttons and get that $1250.00

I hope I'm wrong about her. But if I were you and my girl told me she was about to marry someone to get out of a debt. I would let her go. Are we in the Stone Age. I just came from Odessa 9 weeks ago. And I saw alot of money being spent in restaurants and cafe's.


I have a strange feeling that 4 years have gone by and she is still in the Ukraine. Maybe she is tired of waiting for things to happen with you. She isn't living in the U S with you and this is a way for her to get a little cash and then wait till the time is right and come up with another story about needing something. Or maybe she is all ready with the mother's son and she knows you will come up with the $1250.00. IF YOU DON'T GIVE ME $1250 I WILL HAVE TO MARRY SOMEONE ELSE

Sometimes you gotta think with your head and not your heart. Your head could save your life .

If she has the nerve to marry someone else and is even thinking about really going through with it, why would you want to spend the rest of your life with her when she is not even committed to you in the 1st place.

It all sounds fishy to me. But Anything is possible . But highly unlikely. And I could be wrong.

But for me : IT DOESN'T LOOK GOOD !

WOMEN AND HUMANS ARE CAPABLE OF THE CRAZIEST SHI-T KNOWN TO MANKIND. And I have a strange feeling your about to take the emotional rollercoaster of love. GOOD LUCK !


Posted by: GoeastLJ

Sammy, as you can see, we all want the best outcome for you. It is clear you are in love with each other. Sometime ago, I read your contribution to another thread on RMP and it was like poetry in motion.

I agree that you should contact lawyers/translators etc, but I feel that what you are hearing from your lady are probably symptoms of issues elsewhere. Some of these ladies usually give themselves a window in which to find a man. She found you and I am sure she was expecting some conclusion within a reasonable time period. Women's biological clocks tick very fast and I would think any woman would find it very taxing to wait for a matter for 2 years, let alone 4 years, without knowing when or if there is a light at the end of the tunnel. Try to reverse the situation and put yourself in her shoes. Her age might be telling her something.

You have professed your love for her and she has also committed herself to you, but how long do you think she will wait?

If I were you, I would save my solicitors/lawyers' money for the following:

0) Try to calm down - it is very understandable you feel the way you do for love usually affects our nervous systems

1) Arrange a phone discussion with her and tell her you are coming to see her

2) Book yourself a flight and get to Odessa with all the necessary papers

3) Ascertain for yourself what the situation is with your lady

4) Once you are happy, tell your lady your plans and the date you will be working to to get everything tied up and start the ball rolling when you are back in the US and try to get your lady to be with you within the specified time.

She will want you to visit her if she is telling you the truth and she still has feelings for you


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

I can't travel to Ukraine ok. I feel myself spending money for nothing. I know I want her and I am sure she is strong enough to make it too. I waited three years to see her and could and should only take a year and half to finish things so she can be here with me.It will be 4 years in April I been working on this project. ALso her mother is in such terrible shape we both know her mother comes first.She couldn't be here with her mother like that anyway.I couldn't take her from her mother she is only child.She is 28 and I know she wants to have children starting when she is 30. I truly believe if I take care of business here and just make more money.I have faith in her ok.
This whole thing is comming to a head soon.At lest we got her passport finished.We did things backwards and finished her side and I had problems so some of her paper work expired so to speak. Life is so easy when you make enough money. I truly feel she is not gonna leave if I take of everything like I said I would. I must use my brain here and make sure I look out for sammy too. I am happy as I have good guys like Khasyer and all the quality people to help me.Maybe I will hear more today.I am getting started with new job orientation today so this is great for me. Have a good day too.


Posted by: Jill

Quote:
After I get the vein surgery paid for things will become perfect in my relationship.


I don't know, Sammy....It seems like any way you cut it, this is a huge red flag in terms of your relationship. I believe that you really care about this woman and I sincerely wish you well, but....I think you need to take a good hard look at things.

First of all, you call this woman your wife (which I take to indicate a certain level of seriousness and commitment) and you have been together for four years. I realize that all relationships develop in their own way, but my goodness! This woman is talking about marrying another man over a relatively small loan! And what's worse, you have no way of knowing if she's even telling the truth! This is the person that you call your wife. This is someone you've known for four years. Shouldn't you be beyond suspicion, lies, and mind games by now? You yourself referred to psychological rape--is that what a marriage should be based on? What happened to honesty and trust?

Yes, she may be lying about the loan and the guy because she is sick of waiting for you and is using this to get your butt in gear--but do you really want to live the rest of your life with someone who has so little respect for you that she manipulates you and toys with your emotions, rather than opens a frank and honest discussion with you about her feelings and her needs?

On the other hand, maybe she is telling the truth about the loan and the guy, etc. But even if she is, do you really want a woman who seems so willing to prostitute herself in that way (sex for money is, after all, prostitution--that is the bottom line here), especially when she should be able to use her head and realize that he can not make good on his threats to begin with. If she marries him, it is because she has CHOSEN to do so. He can not force her against her will. It will be her choice alone.

Like I said, I really do wish you all the best, but your relationship is in some serious trouble. I know that you said that you can not travel to Ukraine now, which is very unfortunate.

Khashyar, I remember Lena used to do background checks by phone. Does she still offer that service? If so, maybe she could call Sasha and have a sort of "girl to girl" talk about what's going on and feel out the situation.

What really concerns me is that this is someone you've been with for four years--not someone you just met. Its disconcerting that you should still be trying to sort truth from lie

I hope you get it all it all worked out soon....


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

How would you feel if you were me? I am so happy to know about Russian Christmas and New year and this is why I can't get in contact with anyone. I live in Rural America and I sold some land to reduce monthly payments so I can financially afford the things I must do.Basically I made a choice to part with some ground so I could make sure I can get the woman here.No matter what I did, I did what is best for my future with or without the woman.So this transaction just happened on December 18th. I have struggled with jobs here forever. I live with the peasant class of America the farmer. I also have awesome 22 acre spread now with all home made trees and so peaceful and so quiet and all modern technology things in my home.I am close enough to hit the big city to show the woman things more she is used to like in Odecca.
So I just went from taking home 297 /week and starting next Monday I will take home 633/week.That is small change for most of you I know but it literally will change my life. It is one to thing to find the woman and another to make sure you have insurance and all this stuff you must have to make it work.I would say this woman got me going for sure. I had Angels always place ideas and reminders of this Sash.It was crazy the strange things that would happen.My Mom and My Grandma are the Angels I am sure of it.
Communication has always been difficult she has no phone and no computer. I went to Ukraine and all I had for a place to stay after I landed was a letter from her two weeks before telling me she would be at the airport. I went for it because of my Angels. I knew I had divine intervention looking out for me. Try telling that to someone in rural America.I have learned to keep my thoughts to myself about Ukraine.
I had told her I was having problems with Job situation and that I was afraid I would lost her.She wrote me a very nice letter saying to me I would never lost her. That was December 15th and I heard from her at Christmas and at New Years and now this crazy letter on January 6th.
Guys I think I just lost my mind on this one, I am on one whale of a ride. Always her letters leave me feeling great inside.Thats the best reason I want to be with this woman is because She leaves me mentally feeling great.Crazy how a perspective can change over the years. I love this woman because I just simply enjoy talking with her and having dinner.
Heres the skinny on the plan.I got the cash now and I can borrow 1250 in a heartbeat from frinds and family.But.......... I will trust guys like Khashyar and everyone who stress excercising caution on this one. Guys I don't want to ever leave America again.I love my country so much and I made a promise to myself I will never step foot off American soil again.I was happy to go to FSU but I was even happier to be back with my countrymen in USA.
Does anyone see a problem with laying down 200 Bucks and some grocery money for her to get the ball rolling.My Big question is how I can I say I love the woman if I am thinking I should do a bakground check on her. Remember this 5'6" 113lb. lady did write the most wonderful words I ever heared anyone say about her parents. This weekend I am planning on sending some money money.I guess I will have to ask her to send documentation on papers and things. What are your thoughts on a private backgound check and who does these things. What questions would you ask her or make or documentation would you ask for. I am so close now to file for I29F.I am wondering if USA government does some looking as well.
Basically here is the scoop, I got money.......she needs 1250 asap. How would you dole it out and such. I am going to take the approach she must respect my feelings too on this one as her letter is stinking like rotten fish.I hope she is doing a prince to save the princess gambit.~hmmmm
Khashyar if the time comes and I really need to save her flat from this crazy man I will ask you for help ok.


Posted by: Raka

What I find disturbing is that after four years you are now questioning her by thinking of getting a background check on her. I think you should know and trust her after this length of time.I am really surprised someone would wait this long.

It's very important to these women that you show you are comitted to them. If you show them that you are they will wait, but not for ever!

I wish you all the best and hope things work out.


Posted by: GoeastLJ

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha
Guys I don't want to ever leave America again.I love my country so much and I made a promise to myself I will never step foot off American soil again.I was happy to go to FSU but I was even happier to be back with my countrymen in USA.


This is another story, Sammy. You are not marrying the girl next door - you want to go into an international relationship. I come from rural Africa and we have a saying that goes, 'if you want the rain, you have to be prepared to walk in the mud', and I am sure you will find plenty of English equivalents.

Good luck.


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

I will have to plead insanity the last couple of days but I have new perspective.


1) I trust in the quality of a man I have presented over last 4 years and especially in face to face meeting.

2) I understand it is more difficult for her over there and she is trusting big time to wait for me so long.

3)If you really love someone then do not expect anything in return,just always do your best.

4)Understand that love and war is not fair and black or white.There is much gray area

5)Put her happiness ahead of my own because I really love the girl.Accept her decision and deal with it!!

6)Pray that God gives her to me!!


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Hi Sammy, hope you have settled down and are thinking a little clearer these days.

You said you do not want to leave US soil again and you've known Sasha for 4 years. When was the last time you were with her? I think you have to physically be with someone within 2 years to file a I-129, K1 visa, part of a K1 or K3 visa requirement. You can get a wavier on this but not sure how.


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Hello people Please give me some input here and do not judge me or the woman.

There is a reason I open up my world to you all. I know I need help and I understand what to do with this one. I have tremendous family and they are ready to help me financially with My Sasha's problem.
My one brother said I will pay any amount for you right now,but he wants me to verify that a surgery took place On November 28th, 2006 for my Sash's mother as she said.
Do you guys think it would be wise to ask Sasha for the name of the hospital so I can pay a translator(hopefully Lena if it is ok with Khashyer) to call there and verify the surgery took place for her mother.
Listen, my heart is in the way of my brain and I will do anything for her ok.After I read your words in my thread I understand that as honest and forthright as I am there are people who may not be. I also can see you people who write things I do not want to read or hear. I also understand you write these words not to hurt my feelings but to look out after your fellow mankind against things that may not be true. If I do not listen to you people I am doing myself and my love for Sasha a disservice.
I was ready to fall asleep and this idea came to me. I would tell you I can pay for the surgery in 24 hours if I choose now ok.I will tell her I have to borrow from family and friends so they make this demand that they know which hospital and when the surgery took place. She already told me one time and I have every letter she ever wrote memorized in my heart.She never said what hospital the surgery took place though.
I plan to write her such letter asking her to tell me what day and what hospital the surgery took place so I can verify it actually took place for her mother.I will tell her I have to do this as my friends and family are borrowing me the money to make so she does not have to lose her apartment.
I feel it is a great way to seek truth.She has no phone ok. this way I can send her some money to eat and write me say 50 USD.
I am hoping the hospital would be able to have records of this and I would ask someone From RMP to help and pay them of course before I shell out 1250.I love sasha so much I am worried my own judgement is warped on this one and I will listen to you people in here as I know you all are just trying to help me on this one ok.I trust in you people here with my relationship ok.I am a smart man to do so!!!
I love the woman with all my heart but after reading the posts I must use your Ideas in my solution too. Thank you so much for knocking me in the head.There should be no reason why I can't get truth and still be the best man to my woman.
Can this work?


Posted by: nocomfortzone

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha
I love the woman with all my heart but after reading the posts I must use your Ideas in my solution too. Thank you so much for knocking me in the head.There should be no reason why I can't get truth and still be the best man to my woman.
Can this work?


Honestly, i've read a bit of this but it is sounds more like a story than a real life situation. But usually truth is stranger than fiction so it probably is true
I can't believe someone would invest 4 years of their life in heart and money with a woman they call their wife but never actually have a real life physical presence i neveryday world. Is this really how you want to live your life and have a relationship with a woman?
If you care about another person, cool, that is great, keep in contact and keep as a dear friend but surely the real expierence you want in life with a loving partner is to be together in person.
Also this woman, Sasha, surely in heart of hearts wants a real life relationship with a man and writing on letters as great as it can be to know a person dreams , desires and thoughts in life, there is going to come a time when she wakes up to the human desires of wanting to exchange more than just thoughts.
I think you need to get real mate.
surely you and her both want more out of life in regards to a loving relationship than just letters....


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

First I would never run off to Russia after a few letters in a few short months.I am very cautious in what I do. I took 8 months to find the perfect car for myself and I would never Russian to anything if you hear me here.Such an important choice in life I must take my time on this one.

I did speak with my old taxi driver last night at 2:00am, I think I woke his rear up. He did get my e-mails and he promised to respond on this one.I plan on getting a mail from him explaining some questions and I know I will have to have someone here translate my message for me. I plan on trusting this man he is in mid to late 50's and he seems like honest hard working guy. How much money should I send this guy to go speak with Sasha ands her mom in face to face. I can send money to Sasha to have her call Victor and have him go check things out for me.I think it is good plan.I may need someone to write him a letter in Russian so I can be sure he understands me.He spoke great English I thought but not sure if he can read or write English


ANy thoughts on this?
I am not the type of person to make junk up.I am 38 ok and I can't help the situation but I know I am close to finding all the answers I need. Iwill know if Sasha gets my mail telling her to call Victor(vladimir) as the western union money will be gone.Anyone have a good variation of this idea they want to suggest?
Thanks RMP


Posted by: Jill

Well, here's what I would do. Tell her that your brother is in a position to pay for the surgery, but he needs documentation from the hospital which lists the surgery/treatments as well as the price. Say he needs this for tax purposes--give a vague description of US tax deductions and somehow make it sound as if he will use the surgery receipt to claim a deduction. The reason I would do this is so she won't think that you don't trust her (if she IS telling the truth she might be quite offended that you are checking up on her in this way). Would that work?

The thing is, even if the surgery did happen, it still does not clear the issue of everything AFTER the surgery (i.e. this guy who says that she must marry him to pay off the debt). To me, that is the most disturbing aspect of it.


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jill
Well, here's what I would do. Tell her that your brother is in a position to pay for the surgery, but he needs documentation from the hospital which lists the surgery/treatments as well as the price. Say he needs this for tax purposes--give a vague description of US tax deductions and somehow make it sound as if he will use the surgery receipt to claim a deduction. The reason I would do this is so she won't think that you don't trust her (if she IS telling the truth she might be quite offended that you are checking up on her in this way). Would that work?

The thing is, even if the surgery did happen, it still does not clear the issue of everything AFTER the surgery (i.e. this guy who says that she must marry him to pay off the debt). To me, that is the most disturbing aspect of it.

I will do that then, I sent her the G325A form from the I-29F packet and ask her if she loves some other man.I would think she would be honest with me.I will attack on all angles I guess.
Good news for me, a new job starts monday and I won't have time to sit and cry and feel terrible Plus going to Russia is still here so I can make it trhough all this too!!
I appreciate the help hmmnmmm tax write off how clever!!!


Posted by: royalpalace774

[QUOTE=Jill]Well, here's what I would do. Tell her that your brother is in a position to pay for the surgery, but he needs documentation from the hospital which lists the surgery/treatments as well as the price. Say he needs this for tax purposes--give a vague description of US tax deductions and somehow make it sound as if he will use the surgery receipt to claim a deduction. The reason I would do this is so she won't think that you don't trust her (if she IS telling the truth she might be quite offended that you are checking up on her in this way). Would that work?

QUOTE]

This is just a thought for you . I was told just a few weeks ago by the president of customer relations for Globaladies.com that for $15.00 she or anyone can go into a hospital and pay a nurse $15.00 and have fake papers made in 10 minutes.

My girl in Odessa told me she had a thyroid tumor 4 weeks after I got back from Odessa 8 weeks ago. And her agency did not believe one word from her.

Think about it. How hard would it really be to get a fake paper stating this and that.

The president also told me that everybody in the Ukraine knows that $15.00 to a nurse will get any fake paper you want. She even laughed about how funny it was that this was even possible to get from a nurse wanting a little cash.

So I think you need to really wonder what you are reading even after you receive it. Maybe it's real & maybe it's not.

I bet you I could make a fake paper from a hospital and you wouldn't no if it was real or fake. ADOBE PHOTO SHOP and other programs will put someone elses face on another body. EASILY !

But I could be wrong. But I was told this by a very reputable spokeswomen for Globaladies.com

"SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT"


Posted by: Jill

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
[QUOTE=Jill]Well, here's what I would do. Tell her that your brother is in a position to pay for the surgery, but he needs documentation from the hospital which lists the surgery/treatments as well as the price. Say he needs this for tax purposes--give a vague description of US tax deductions and somehow make it sound as if he will use the surgery receipt to claim a deduction. The reason I would do this is so she won't think that you don't trust her (if she IS telling the truth she might be quite offended that you are checking up on her in this way). Would that work?

QUOTE]

This is just a thought for you . I was told just a few weeks ago by the president of customer relations for Globaladies.com that for $15.00 she or anyone can go into a hospital and pay a nurse $15.00 and have fake papers made in 10 minutes.

My girl in Odessa told me she had a thyroid tumor 4 weeks after I got back from Odessa 8 weeks ago. And her agency did not believe one word from her.

Think about it. How hard would it really be to get a fake paper stating this and that.

The president also told me that everybody in the Ukraine knows that $15.00 to a nurse will get any fake paper you want.

So I think you need to really wonder what you are reading even after you receive it.

But I could be wrong. But I was told this by a very reputable spokeswomen for Globaladies.com

"SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT"



You make a good point and you are right. It's not hard to buy fake documents in Russia/Ukraine. Another thing for Sammy to consider....


Posted by: royalpalace774

Thank you JILL,
This needs to be known. This happens in the Ukraine. And it is common knowledge. These women have it down to a science.

I'm not saying that Sammy's women is dishonest. I am only saying that even hospital papers are easy to get for a fee to a nurse that makes maybe $6 -$8 a day.

What does the nurse have to loose. She can even grab a blank hospital document and sell the blank for a fee.

If Sammy sends $1250.00 that is his business. But I would beware of what is going to happen after his Sasha receives his money. That will be very interesting to see what happens in the next weeks after that.

And getting married to another man if he DOES NOT send the money is for me, totally un acceptable behavior for someone who is going to be my wife. If I was threatned by a women I spent any amount of time with and she meant what she said about marriage to another man because of $1250.00 , I would let her go in a heartbeat.


WOMEN AND HUMANS ARE CAPABLE OF THE CRAZIEST SH-T KNOWN TO MANKIND!


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Quote:
Originally Posted by royalpalace774
Thank you JILL,
This needs to be known. This happens in the Ukraine. And it is common knowledge. These women have it down to a science.

I'm not saying that Sammy's women is dishonest. I am only saying that even hospital papers are easy to get for a fee to a nurse that makes maybe $6 -$8 a day.

What does the nurse have to loose. She can even grab a blank hospital document and sell the blank for a fee.

If Sammy sends $1250.00 that is his business. But I would beware of what is going to happen after his Sasha receives his money. That will be very interesting to see what happens in the next weeks after that.

And getting married to another man if he DOES NOT send the money is for me, totally un acceptable behavior for someone who is going to be my wife. If I was threatned by a women I spent any amount of time with and she meant what she said about marriage to another man because of $1250.00 , I would let her go in a heartbeat.


WOMEN AND HUMANS ARE CAPABLE OF THE CRAZIEST SH-T KNOWN TO MANKIND!


I am going to agree that even suggesting that the only way to solve a problem is to marry another man,is totally unacceptable.
There is hope for me yet, My taxi man I called and sent e-mail too took the time to e-mail me back.He writes English and speaks it much better than I. His is in his mid 50's and has money so I know he is not influenced so much by money.I felt him to be honest a hard working man who is loyal to his word.I wrote Sasha and gave her his number and told her to call him and he can relay messages to me. I also told him if he finds out she is playing games with me to just be honest with me and we can go from there.I will move on!!
She can make a call from neighbors if she has no phone right? Is there free phone in Ukrainea?

Its not like Sasha said she wanted to marry this guy she just said it seems this is my only choice. This was not a surprise bill to me either and I did tell her I would agree to make payments on it.If this happens again I wil tell her to marry someone else who can afford it. I would think if after heart surgery and her mother already had one stroke that she is not far from the end of her life.
Vladimir is going to do me right.He remembers me and I know he liked me just by the way he was talking to me.I sure enjoyed speaking with him.I feel we both had good respect for each other and he would choose honor over falsehoods.
I thinking Sasha is overwhelmed with her mother and problems ok. Maybe she took it out on me. It will be interesting to see what happens in next couple of weeks and I am going to share it all so if I make a mistake here,maybe someone else can benefit from my hard lessons.
As for the fake papers my god, Ukraine is so corrupt all over it is sickening. No wonder why Sasha is so cautious about everyone and everything.
Anyway I do have a friend on the ground now in Vladimir and I was so happy the man can write English and read it too.
Can anyone tell me if it will be difficult for Sash to scan a copy of her passport and e-mail it to me along with the G325 A papers I sent her.Don't all the Internet cafe's have that capability. I used the X-BOX Internet Cafe in downtown Odecca to check my mails. My first time I went in the power was out and I open the door and said no way am I walking into this little cave.I walked out.
Does anyone have a suggestion on where she can get her papers scanned to E-mail?
I think I have the situation under control now on all fronts so I will sit back and wait for answers to reaveal themselves to me.I just want to say thanks again for you people in here.This is very difficult time for me and I would have no chance of success without alll your help.I am so thankful!!


Posted by: nflcolts

Sorry to hear your story sammy. My heart goes out to you. Sounds alot like goingtorussia story. Breaks my heart for the both of you. I have no advice, I will just say. Best of luck stick in there


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Travel agencies have fax machines and copiers because they send invitations to foreigners for their visas. The travel agency can fax a copy of her passport and G-325A forms. Hotels also have these things. Any photo shop could transfer data to disk so she could send as an attachment in an e-mail. She shouldn't have any problems.


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Travel agencies have fax machines and copiers because they send invitations to foreigners for their visas. The travel agency can fax a copy of her passport and G-325A forms. Hotels also have these things. Any photo shop could transfer data to disk so she could send as an attachment in an e-mail. She shouldn't have any problems.


Thanks for the help here ok!!!!



I don' think its a secret I have lost my mind and everyone in here knows it. But no better a place to lost your mind than amongst all the people who understand the trials of a 7000 mile love affair. I am sure any man in here who read the words I read from my woman, can appreciate the difficult mental aspect of being crazy for your woman. To reiterate, my wife who I am not married too but, when you have a dinner with your beloved woman, and you ask the question to her and she starts to cry on you and that in turn makes your hands shake,I feel it can be said that right at that moment we became husband and wife. I don't don't care about papers or judges.
We then sat together and just talked about our commitment to each other and made some promises I will always keep to her. Then the power went out so we sat in that Mexican Restuarant on Ekaterina Street by the Television set in the secluded booth and just talk about me and her as our family.It was the most deep talk I ever have with any woman. I should never say mentally raped....I should have said Sasha and myself made mental love that night right in the restuarant. To this day I can hear every word she ever told me in my head if I want to.
This relationship I have is long time in making. If I said I had Angels see me in the morning the exact time I was born, two days in a row in Odecca would you call me crazy? It is such a wonderful deal just being so proud of your woman and so happy just to walk and talk with her.And lets face it guys the FSU woman has enlarged pupils that just swallow up your soul when you look into them eyes.I know Sash does. I am not a rich man but rather a very hard working man who learned at early age watching my parents and grandparents what great love should be.
We have had problems with her mom as of late and I knew I had to come through for her and I hated my job as I needed more money.I have a college degree so I quit my job and promised my woman I would be a real man and take care of things. I failed for a month and a week and she wrote me that one letter saying her only choice could be to marry this man who giver money as he tried to push my wife around.I might have to make a special trip to see him, but I feel I would kill him.She didn't know I was so close to having new employment and being the real man for us.
I hated God this weekend and ask him why he would send Angels and why I had to be faithful for 4 years to this woman just to lost her to some weirdo with 1250 bucks when I told God I was the man who really truly cared for her. I begged him to kill me because it always seemed like everything I love God takes from me.Finally I reconciled my emotions and determined I gave everything my best in every way I could.I always think of my teenage Idol Sammy Hagar who Says "there ain't no power around that can keep a good man down"
I also said I would swim over there If I had too and one time before I met her I told her King Kong ain't stopping me from seeing her. I would have sold my soul to see my mysterious woman from Ukraine.Mostly I trusted in the words she wrote about her own father and mother and I was so impressed I ask her to marry me after 3 months of writing her. I have seriously had Angels guiding me along on this one I kid you not it happens people.
All I could do was sit and think about what can I do to make this right?
I called on the RMP forum for help? I would never ask for money but I needed professional advice to try to get to the bottom of these things. truth be known I had the answer inside I just refused to listen to it. Sasha was freaking out from all the debt incurred from her mother and didn't see me as getting the job done so she threw som gas on a fire that was already burning outa control.
I called the taxi man trying to find her and I called the apartment manager where I stayed in Odecca because somehow I feel her father was a scientist with the owner of this apartment I stayed in . I looked at the books in my aprtment and all of them were about Science and laws of thermodynamics and with Sasha being so dang smart I knew her father was imortant scientist, I just knew it ok. We have not talked about her late father as of yet.I tried one time in Odecca but I didn't want to make her sad so I stop right away. The owner of the apartment gave me his card and said call me anytime you want ok Sam.This guy clearly was treating me like family ok.It was obvious. He told me "do you know who I am" "I am very important Scientist in United States" I am pretty sure he helped out with the manhatten project his is in his 80's and sharp as a tack. I was always suspicious he knew Sasha's father ok. I called him and told him who I was and after a year he remembered me but funny how he could not recall who Sasha was. this is most puzzling to me. Same thing with the taxi driver I called....He told me I don't know wher Sasha is.
I was doing my damdest to find her to let her know not to marry this man as me and her are destiny. I want to share with you her letter back to me today. Remember I had planned to send her a letter tonight telling her about the taxi driver and she already knew I talked with him. Both these men lied to me as is evident from her letter.
She let me have it again. I think I will calm down and just trust in her. I never wrote anything bad to her or ***** her out but I think she understands how I feel for sure this time.I feel myself more relaxing at this time. SO for now I will just try not to get nto trouble with her.She would kill me for doing this but I am a man of my word and I want to show you people how things turn out. Most of you guys all have Russina woman anyway and you all understand the Ruska woman better than anyone!!


Hi my darling Sammy,
I got your mails and will not marry anyone else, i love you and see
my future only with you. I didn't write you before, because I was so
depressed and nervous of all situation, so I got high temperature and
didn't go out. Yes, I will tell that man "No" and will tell him that
we will return money to him very soon.
I didn't sigh any paper to him about my apartment, he just have my
passports, my mother documents and apartment documents. When we will
return all money to him, he will give all papers back to me.
Here is this way, if you have money, you can buy everything even notaries or
judges. I read your letters and I am so happy you are so caring man. Thank
you that you were trying to find lawyer here to help me and also
called many other people, but please, don't worry and don't call to
that people, I don't have connection with them and they are nobody
for me, and I don't want to share our problems with them and disturb
them by our own problems. Especially that taxi driver, I didn't like
him very much when you have been in Odessa, because when he said me
that times, that you were asking him about to meet you with his daughter
because you were interesting to meet more then one lady in Odessa.
Don't worry, I understated that he misunderstood you because I
think his English is not so go as you can think, because he doesn't
understand what you told him. I think you were asking just about his
life and family, but he understood that you wanted to meet with his
daughter and may be with other ladies in Odessa too. So I will not
call him, and I would like to ask you to forget his e-mail and phone
number too, because I don't want to disturb him with our problems and
I know you are very open person and can open your heart to everybody
like that men in bar when you have been in Odessa and was talking
about our love with two unknown men in bar who you thought was nice
with you. So please, be careful to tell our problems to unknown
people in Ukraine, ok? I don't want that everybody here knows about
our love and our problems. I don't know this taxi driver or that land
lord you also called very good, so I prefer not to talk with them
about our problems ok? As you know I know people here better then
you, so trust me, ok?
I am close now and send you my love, i will write you more again soon,
Your wife


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Don't worry Sammy, you're only crazy in love ... it isn't fatal! Sounds like a happy ending. Good luck to you and don't drop the ball this time. Start processing her visa as soon as possible.


Posted by: nocomfortzone

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha
First I would never run off to Russia after a few letters in a few short months.I am very cautious in what I do. I took 8 months to find the perfect car for myself and I would never Russian to anything if you hear me here.Such an important choice in life I must take my time on this one.
You are confusing.
You call her your wife and now you are saying you must take time on an important choice. I thought you'd already made up your mind you love her and your calling her your wife. I really don't understand what more you have to decide. I honestly can not understand how someone can be so in love but lives over the other side of world for 4 years. So i take it you are still deciding whether after 4 years of knowing this woman, you say you love, that you need to take time to decide whether you actually want to be in the same presence as the woman you call your wife.



Quote:
ANy thoughts on this?
I am not the type of person to make junk up.I am 38 ok and I can't help the situation but I know I am close to finding all the answers I need.


Well i really hope you are ok, but i gotta admit some of you amercians make my mind boggle at the situations you let yourselves get into. I'm starting to really catch on how a guy like George Bush keeps staying president.


Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Quote:
Originally Posted by nocomfortzone
You are confusing.
You call her your wife and now you are saying you must take time on an important choice. I thought you'd already made up your mind you love her and your calling her your wife. I really don't understand what more you have to decide. I honestly can not understand how someone can be so in love but lives over the other side of world for 4 years. So i take it you are still deciding whether after 4 years of knowing this woman, you say you love, that you need to take time to decide whether you actually want to be in the same presence as the woman you call your wife. Well i really hope you are ok, but i gotta admit some of you amercians make my mind boggle at the situations you let yourselves get into. I'm starting to really catch on how a guy like George Bush keeps staying president.



Yeah She is my wife.I feel it was great to write her long time.This way I new I was in for a woman I liked from the insides. At first she would only write me once a month and money does not grow on trees at my place ok.Too spend so much money for a fantasy is crazy. I started feeling her in her words man.She sent me a great Christmas letter this year.The best words you ever get in your life on a card. It is so killer. I just wanted to make sure I really loved her so much I would risk going there.
It took me a year to save 4000 for my first trip ok.After a year and half I figured out I really better get over there or I will hate myself for life.On my first visit I was sure it was my wife over there before I left. She just kiss me right away and we started talking about church and went to my apartment. I don't say this much ok.I swear I never see a more beautiful woma in my life. Holy- moly.She is smokin hot brother ok.I mean she is what I would paint if God would let me make a woman.She must be in the top 200 most beautiful woman in the world. FSU woman have the prettiest eyes I have ever seen in my life. I honestly thought her photos were fake. WHen I first saw her man I was so happy she was a woman and Sasha the girl in the photos only with no makeup. She gave me the morning after look right away and when we were buying some groceries at the market is when I told her she was the most beautiful woman I ever see in my life.
Since I took my time with visiting her we had no uncomfortable moments in our conversations from the start.She really felt like an old friend. She was the same to me mentally as what her writing projected her to be.It is true she is not here physically. All the letters (purest from of communications) along with the 2 weeks together live make for the deepest most mentally richest connection I have ever had with a woman. Wher I live, Oh My God, people especially all the red neck men are going to freak out when they see how incredibly hot this woman is.I am going to be walking with her around town with both of us in huge deep love. I can tell you for a fact its not because she kissed me or because we had dinner and we hold hands or anything physical in the relationship.It is because of loving her mind and spirit and soul.You can get that in letters from your woman. I remember back on old girlfriends from High School and nothing compares to this and I was out with them every weekend and still was so far away.
If I make it through all the red tape and get her here I would say I Like our chances of a lasting love but I am only half the equation. I can tell you I was a little crazy for sure. This is my only freak out in 4 years this next April. So I feel Sasha wanted to make sure I was on board with her and not jerking her chain. Well she got her answer from me . She will never question How I feel about her again I am sure. You think a woman would know how you feel but you still need to give her more so she always feels loved. I had a strategy from the start....to always say to her everything I feel that way I can always be myself with her and just feel comfortable with my super model woman and just enjoy her brains and fellowship. The hardest part in a relationship is loving the girl for her brains and her heart;the easy part is jumping on her bones. This writing has given me an opportunity to really focus on seeing if our head and heartsare a match.You just can't a feel for her brains and heart during sex. I would say if you have your brains and hearts matched up you never have sex anyway they call that making love then You have to remember too its only six months with proper funding to get her here. You better be dam sure you got the right one. For me the writing is what make Sasha so close, the personal meeting was just icing on the cake. I am saying if you can feel the attraction with the photo and the writing she gives you I can almost guarantee when you meet the chemistry and everything is already there too. Thats been my experience anyway.I will disagree with noncomfortzone and say true love is found in the inner depths of your heart and I feel writing allows for the deepest look inside someones heart.


Posted by: markgm

Ok guys I am going to butt in here and say do not get off track with this thread and start any political arguments like has happened in some other threads forcing them to be closed.

If my warning here is not heeded i will close the thread.


Posted by: Khashyar

Hi Everyone,

Although American politics is a fascinating subject that also interests me, let's try to stay on topic in this thread, and if we want to discuss Iraq or U.S. policy, then let's please open a new thread about that topic in the Off-topic section. (But discussing George Bush and his Iraq policy in this type of international forum is almost asking for a spear fight )

Khashyar


Posted by: markgm

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha
true love is found in the inner depths of your heart and I feel writing allows for the deepest look inside someones heart.


Sammy as i write poetry i would agree with this it does give you an insight into your own heart and the hearts of those that write it back to you.


Posted by: Khashyar

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha
Hello people Please give me some input here and do not judge me or the woman.

There is a reason I open up my world to you all. I know I need help and I understand what to do with this one. I have tremendous family and they are ready to help me financially with My Sasha's problem.
My one brother said I will pay any amount for you right now,but he wants me to verify that a surgery took place On November 28th, 2006 for my Sash's mother as she said.
Do you guys think it would be wise to ask Sasha for the name of the hospital so I can pay a translator(hopefully Lena if it is ok with Khashyer) to call there and verify the surgery took place for her mother.
Listen, my heart is in the way of my brain and I will do anything for her ok.After I read your words in my thread I understand that as honest and forthright as I am there are people who may not be. I also can see you people who write things I do not want to read or hear. I also understand you write these words not to hurt my feelings but to look out after your fellow mankind against things that may not be true. If I do not listen to you people I am doing myself and my love for Sasha a disservice.
I was ready to fall asleep and this idea came to me. I would tell you I can pay for the surgery in 24 hours if I choose now ok.I will tell her I have to borrow from family and friends so they make this demand that they know which hospital and when the surgery took place. She already told me one time and I have every letter she ever wrote memorized in my heart.She never said what hospital the surgery took place though.
I plan to write her such letter asking her to tell me what day and what hospital the surgery took place so I can verify it actually took place for her mother.I will tell her I have to do this as my friends and family are borrowing me the money to make so she does not have to lose her apartment.
I feel it is a great way to seek truth.She has no phone ok. this way I can send her some money to eat and write me say 50 USD.
I am hoping the hospital would be able to have records of this and I would ask someone From RMP to help and pay them of course before I shell out 1250.I love sasha so much I am worried my own judgement is warped on this one and I will listen to you people in here as I know you all are just trying to help me on this one ok.I trust in you people here with my relationship ok.I am a smart man to do so!!!
I love the woman with all my heart but after reading the posts I must use your Ideas in my solution too. Thank you so much for knocking me in the head.There should be no reason why I can't get truth and still be the best man to my woman.
Can this work?


Hi Sam,

I think that it is o.k. for you to want to verify the surgery before you send her such a large amount of money.

I think that Lena will not be able to call for you at this time (because she is overloaded with commitments right now), but I am sure that you will be able to find someone to translate and make the call for you.

I still think that it would be better for you to find someone in Kiev who can investigate this whole thing for you, and give you more clarity. It is hard to have clarity about a situation that is happening thousands of miles away.

Ideally, you would travel there and evaluate what is happening on your own, which might then bring you two together if you see that what she is experiencing is true.

Good luck Sammy,

Khashyar


Posted by: Khashyar

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Originally Posted by Jill
Well, here's what I would do. Tell her that your brother is in a position to pay for the surgery, but he needs documentation from the hospital which lists the surgery/treatments as well as the price. Say he needs this for tax purposes--give a vague description of US tax deductions and somehow make it sound as if he will use the surgery receipt to claim a deduction. The reason I would do this is so she won't think that you don't trust her (if she IS telling the truth she might be quite offended that you are checking up on her in this way). Would that work?