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Posted by: Raspberry

This is an interesting one. Got an unsolicited letter, in my inbox at Elena's Models. This is OK by me. Looked at the lady's profile, and she is in the right age group, somewhat attractive, and is a doctor.

She says she really enjoyed my letter.....well, problem is, I didn't write her at all. (Even checked my outbox).Additionally, she leaves me her phone number in Kiev to call her. And in the letter, a few sentences down, she says "Welcome in Kiev" as if I am there. Well, you know I was SUPPOSED to be in Ukraine this week, but of course had cancelled.

What does this sound like to you?

Posted by: ira156

Really weird Ras, i would just front her about it and ask her what the story is. If its an honest mistake well you may have lucked out????

Posted by: Leprechaun

Sounds like bait to me.

Posted by: Chrismc

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

This is an interesting one. Got an unsolicited letter, in my inbox at Elena's Models. This is OK by me. Looked at the lady's profile, and she is in the right age group, somewhat attractive, and is a doctor.

She says she really enjoyed my letter.....well, problem is, I didn't write her at all. (Even checked my outbox).Additionally, she leaves me her phone number in Kiev to call her. And in the letter, a few sentences down, she says "Welcome in Kiev" as if I am there. Well, you know I was SUPPOSED to be in Ukraine this week, but of course had cancelled.

What does this sound like to you?

Thats odd....a few months ago I got an unsolicited one also from a lady in Kiev! she wrote to me as though I had already written to her and as if I already knew about her? it has never happend before, anyway I never replied, she is still on EM, but I don't think she is a scammer, maybe just a bit mixed up. She is a very attractive lady too!! again right age group etc, everything was cool, but I just let it go and decided not to respond.

I thought it a bit weird at the time, but hey ho!!

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Maybe she was refering to your profile on Elena's as they have a mini letter, intro type thingy with them if you fill in all the blanks. I wouldn't discount her but if you are concerned email Elena and ask her what could be happening.

Posted by: Chrismc

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

Maybe she was refering to your profile on Elena's as they have a mini letter, intro type thingy with them if you fill in all the blanks. I wouldn't discount her but if you are concerned email Elena and ask her what could be happening.

In my case OzG I did consider it was actually my profile she was responding too, although she did state letter! but no matter how I disected her letter it just did not make sense and did specifically acknowledege a letter I had supposedly wrote to her?

Posted by: Ms.Smarty Pants

May be she meant "letter" like "profile". English is not her native language. Why you dont want to adress your questions this woman? May be you may write short e-mail? You will see what is going to happen.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by Chrismc

.... but no matter how I disected her letter it just did not make sense....

Chris I am chatting to a few ladies in Russia, only 1 is anything serious the others are just friends, but much of what they say does not make any sense in English at all. I put it down to that they have not been taught English very well, unfortunately it seems as though much of English teaching in Russia is done by people who also know very little about English. They may know the words but do not have even an elementary understanding of how to string a sentence together and what words to use where. What also gets me is that by Russian standards these same people are considered near fluent in English yet I would think that only one has a good command English in written, spoken and listening skills.

Posted by: Leprechaun

Proceed with caution seems to be the consensus

Posted by: Chrismc

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

Yes Michael I am aware of that, and surely take it into consideration, I am used to reading letters translated by online programmes also that jumble things up, but in this case none of it made any sense at all, not just the wording, sentances etc but the fact I had never ever written to her, she thought I had, some comments she made about 'my letter' to her?? all sorts of things. The fact that she said she was very happy to receive a letter from me?? and she referred to things in my supposed letter to her and implied that she agreed with me too.

It was obvious she was using an online translation programme as it referred to it instead of he or she all the time, this is how they quite often translate things.

But it doesn,t matter, it didn't bother me I just thought it a bit odd at the time, thats all.

BTW I have just checked the site and she is still there, but it says her emails are bouncing? Nevermind I only commented on this thread because a similar thing had happened to me that happened to Rasp! but personally I don't see it as anything to worry about at all.

Posted by: Chrismc

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Originally Posted by Ms.Smarty Pants

May be she meant "letter" like "profile". English is not her native language. Why you dont want to adress your questions this woman? May be you may write short e-mail? You will see what is going to happen.

In my case Ms S P if I had been interested at the time I would have done so and had no qualms about it, no problem, I still wouldn't have a problem writing to her now, but it is not what I wanted to do at the time and still don't, that is the only reason I did not reply. I did send her a polite ' not interested' message. Not that I had any doubts at all, I still don't have any doubts now no matter how odd it seems.

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

Chris my last post to you was not to say you didn't interpret your situation correctly, but to say I have had similar things happen.

Dont you just love (NOT) those translation programs? I don't use them anymore as they are screwy with the outcome. If I can't figure it out I ask one of the people I chat with for help (the one who is actually fluent in English) and if I can't contact her I get onto "Master Russian" and ask for help there.

I have suspected a few times that Elena's isn't quite 'rigdy didge' with what occurs through the site also her other site "SoulMades" is suspect as well.

Posted by: Chrismc

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Originally Posted by OzGuyLooking

Chris my last post to you was not to say you didn't interpret your situation correctly, but to say I have had similar things happen.

Dont you just love (NOT) those translation programs? I don't use them anymore as they are screwy with the outcome. If I can't figure it out I ask one of the people I chat with for help (the one who is actually fluent in English) and if I can't contact her I get onto "Master Russian" and ask for help there.

I have suspected a few times that Elena's isn't quite 'rigdy didge' with what occurs through the site also her other site "SoulMades" is suspect as well.

Yes Michael....I know what you mean, the online programmes are Ok up to a point, but you have to try and read between the lines a lot don't you he he and there us certainly a lot of head scratching that goes on

The one that gets me everytime is when they are talking about their young child, and they say it is doing this, it is doing that

I think it was Vic who said when he was writing to his girl she would say about her 2 year old son, "it is eating in the kitchen" he remarked it sounded like he had a bowl on the floor rather like a dog would

very funny!!

Posted by: GoeastLJ

I also got an unsolicitated letter from a lady in Kiev in my private mail-box. Right age and she says she is a banker (b not w) and we have been communicating for over 2 weeks now. I thought she was a scammer, but I am having doubts now because the standard scammers go for the jagular very quickly. This one introduced herself and said she wanted to know me with the intention of a longterm relationship. The only only mention of money she has made so far is that she has a good job and she has a good 'salery'. She is very good looking as well and I am not complaining. When I asked where she got my details from, she said it was a secret for later - I can't wait.

Well, I think these ladies are masters (mistresses) of the Russian language and I would not be too critical when they appear to mistreat the English language. They are trying hard to accommodate the English speakers. I agree the skill of some of the English teachers can be questionable. One lady brought her tutor to help her translate when we spoke and the difference between the two of them was wafer thin.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

I also received a letter from a woman who said she, "liked my blue eyes" .... I have brown eyes!!! I wrote her back and said I think she has the wrong guy but was willing to get to know her, she never wrote back. It wasn't Elena's website so I think these are just accidents.

Posted by: Raspberry

What also is interesting is that she did mention about only going to the internet cafe once every ten days. Which of course makes sense. And she did mention me by the correct first name, and not call me "Dave" or "George".

By conicidence,one girl that I actually sent a letter to last week was removed from Elena's......but as it turns out, she just got engaged. I doubt that it was a friend pawning off their "leftovers" to another friend----she was in Kharkov and the girl that wrote me was from Kiev.

And yes, "it" instead of "he" or "she" is common. But also, "spiritual" usually does not mean in the religious sense, but rather more like "spirited" or "zestful". And of course, "greedy" is used when they want to say "frugal", or one that sticks to a budget.

Well, maybe I should post the full text, word-by-word, and see what you think.

Posted by: Raspberry

Here goes.....

Сall me in my flat ***-**-*** code38(044),time 20-23 night.In weekend different time.
My e- mail address: ***** @ mail. ru. I take internet club.
My address. ***** **** , Str. S. ****** **, flat **. Kiev 02068.Ukraina.
With attention, love. ******. Waiting for your reply.

Bill.My id 001****. It`s was a pleasant for me to receive a letter from you. I like you thoughtful letter. You and I seem to share the of soul, feeling, love, mentality. I think we shall surely meet in Kiev.
Welcome in Kiev. I should like to see you face, eyes, to know you character, principles life. I want to share my thoughts, feelings, desires with you in next letters. And it`s very important to know, what we want from together life, family life, marriage careful and tenderness for each other.
Let me tell you, what I saw from you letter. I see you honest, considerate you believe in marriage, love that are important to you. I respect and admire that. And I will to send you big letter and soon meet in Kiev.
Now and early I ready want to devote my life, attention husband. I will to make together our life happiest. I possess positive qualities, sensitive, faithful, careful, lyrical. I don�t drink, smoke. I com very good family. Father government, mama had medical occupation. Now my
parents dead. I have only sister, shay marriage, have 2 children, good husband.
I live in Kiev in my own flat and near Kiev � 30 km. we haven house, garden my parents. I like spend time, weekend, vocation some time in house my parents.
My job. For 18 years I worked constancy in Institute Otolaryngology. I study research
hearing (audiometric) , correct hearing, reception of patients for experience. My occupation scientist.
I like serious, honest relationship with attention, love and help each other to know all ( a lot), to make our life interesting. All my mind, love would be on giving husband love and build our family in understanding, faithful we shall be happy.
Call me my flat telephone code 38(044) ***-**-**, time 20 - 23 night every day. Weekend different time. I don�t have computer I take internet club 1 time in 10 days.

Posted by: Chrismc

It is all a bit odd Raspberry isn't it, you must think something is wrong having posted her letter, but I would'nt personally read too much into it. Why not just send her a short email back with a few questions in it and see what reply you get, or call her as she seems to want you too??

Posted by: nocomfortzone

Can't tell from that letter for sure but if it was me getting that e-mail i probably would lean on the side of thinking it is a scammer and i don't like the fact she repeats herself telling you to contact here and a specific time to the the minute of the day. I'd think about 60% chance of being a scammer but still keep an open mind the might not be. They need to be more understanding and give you more information so you can have some trust.

Internet club i guess means internet cafe but they need to realise, just as we do that one a description might be common to our language may not be to another.

Many times when we wrote on e-mail , i'd find words from the girl i corresponded with i was not sure whether they meant quite the same as here. A good example is i told here once part of my weekend on that week was playing some card game at the casino here (blackjack or poker) can't remember exact which one i was playing at the time now but i commented i doubt they have casions in her town and then she tells me of course we do, we have plenty of them which i thought strange for a city of only 500,000. I can't imagine a standard city in Ukraine would have a proper casino like we have in Melbourne and said so but she knows her own city so i believed her.
Anyway when i did eventually visit her city i did see lots of little places called casinos around the place but they were not what we call casinos back here. They were pretty much little pokie machine places which i'd never touch in a million years either here or there as they don't add anything to society worthwhile. Anyway that show me even a wrod you think you noth understand can be very different so easy to get the wrong idea from each other without knowing it. It occurred to me that when i told her i spent a few hours that weekend at the casino she would have had some vision of me visiting some crappy little poker machine outlet which is sending a competely different idea to what i'm about. It would send alarm bells to me if i thought a potential partner thought poker machines were worth spending any time or money on, just as it would if i found they smoked and it meant they did not have a lot of respect for their own body.
Anyway the different idea we both had of casinos showed me there are probably lots of other things we both assume we were on the same page of understanding what we were talking about. There are lots of times when it is obvious when there is a misunderstanding in a word usage or language at both ends but there are probably others aswell where neither party realises they are each on a different page. Man, it sure is a challenge trying to correspond over e-mail and know for sure how much you are understanding each other properly that's why i think there needs to be lots of patience from eother end to realise sometimes you are going to have to explain things in mundane detail even if it is frustrating.

If it was me i'd ask her to explain further what she means by "internet club" and not just assume she meant interent cafe even if it most likely is.

I know when if was corresponding, this girl told me she was a christian and i thought, oh well, too bad as i'm not really a religious person so i thought we would not have a lot in common but for whatever reason i still kept a little bit of an open mind as so many other things we did have in common and seem to get on very well. It took me many months later to realise she calling herself a christian was very different to someone here calling themself a christian. If someone said that here you really know it means they either attend a church regularly or are a bit of a bible basher or study the bible and likely to come out with bliblical quotes every now and again but as time went on i found this girl never did this which was refreshing to me and she is not a religious person at all (although i think she goes at easter and christmas time) and they are call themself a christian it seems so it can be very misleading at first until you realise it has a whole different meaning over there. To them it is more mystical in general and the assumption they are a bible studyer and going to church like i had at first could be way off the mark. Thank God for that. ha ha ha

:-)

Posted by: Raspberry

ChrisMC, I will write her a few lines, and see what happens. Couldn't hurt.

nocomfortzone, it could be a cultural perception/translation. When I was in Mariupol, I asked someone to find me an "internet cafe". They didn't know what I was talking about. But as soon as I mentioned "internet club", then they pointed me to the right direction.

Also, generically, "Christian" means "Orthodoxy". Most Christians in the FSU are either Orthodox or Catholic. And since most westerners don't have a clue about Orthodoxy anyway, people will just mention "Christian"....if they are Catholic, the word is the almost the same in Russian as in English, so you will know.....

Whether they practice or not, is a different story. Same as everywhere else. Additionally, the Soviet Union was officially an athiestic country. So, religion is a "new/old" thing for some of the people.

And even within the US, there is definition of what a "proper casino" is. Although it is a given to see roulette and craps tables in Nevada, most Indian reservation casinos do not have them......only Poker/21/Slots/Keno. At least in Washington, they don't.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

ChrisMC, I will write her a few lines, and see what happens. Couldn't hurt.

nocomfortzone, it could be a cultural perception/translation. When I was in Mariupol, I asked someone to find me an "internet cafe". They didn't know what I was talking about. But as soon as I mentioned "internet club", then they pointed me to the right direction.

Also, generically, "Christian" means "Orthodoxy". Most Christians in the FSU are either Orthodox or Catholic. And since most westerners don't have a clue about Orthodoxy anyway, people will just mention "Christian"....if they are Catholic, the word is the almost the same in Russian as in English, so you will know.....

Whether they practice or not, is a different story. Same as everywhere else. Additionally, the Soviet Union was officially an athiestic country. So, religion is a "new/old" thing for some of the people.

And even within the US, there is definition of what a "proper casino" is. Although it is a given to see roulette and craps tables in Nevada, most Indian reservation casinos do not have them......only Poker/21/Slots/Keno. At least in Washington, they don't.

If interested, go for it. I don't see any glaring signs of a scam.

My wife calls them Internet Clubs, never cafes. Her city is only 350,000 people and there are many "Vagas" type casinos ... but then again it is a resort town.

You are right about the Christian thing. My wife says she is christian but does not attend church on a regular basis. She is Orthodox, not Catholic.

Good luck Rass.

Posted by: Raspberry

OK, Ijust sent my letter. But things are getting interesting.....

Decided to check other agencies........she does not show up on either AFA or Kiev Marriage, but she does have profiles at both Kiev Connections and RWN.
Slightly different(but better)photos at Kiev Connections. But what is real interesting is that, looking at the profile at RWN, it shows that 107 men bought her address!!

So, with that kind of numbers in mind, I'm now willing to bet it is NOT a scam, but rather, the number of people. Even if she wrote to only 10% of the people on the list, that's a handful! And who knows, maybe more than that.

My guess is that she is so busy, that she may not get things straight. That might be the case.....but who knows? We shall wait and see...

Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

OK, Ijust sent my letter. But things are getting interesting.....

Decided to check other agencies........she does not show up on either AFA or Kiev Marriage, but she does have profiles at both Kiev Connections and RWN.
Slightly different(but better)photos at Kiev Connections. But what is real interesting is that, looking at the profile at RWN, it shows that 107 men bought her address!!

So, with that kind of numbers in mind, I'm now willing to bet it is NOT a scam, but rather, the number of people. Even if she wrote to only 10% of the people on the list, that's a handful! And who knows, maybe more than that.

My guess is that she is so busy, that she may not get things straight. That might be the case.....but who knows? We shall wait and see...

Yes Rass very interesting. I know it's been said quite a few times on this sight but RW won't get serious untill they know you're commited. I know my wife brought up the commitment thing very early in our relationship, maybe after 5 weeks, we were an exclusive couple after this. This may seem too soon for some people but we just had so much in common and got along very well. It was a no brainer. So if you like her, let her know you're serious about a relationship with her and maybe send her some flowers and an e-card or a card in the mail.

Good luck and keep us posted with your progress.

Posted by: ira156

Hey Rass, I think you have a little problem with the language issues and understanding. I found that when you are reading and see a term that looks a bit strange.....try to look at different meanings for the term...eg internet club,,cafe? site? agency? and if you are not sure ...ask. My RF speaks very good english and we have still had some laughs at some mix ups in words or terms used. When corressponding with women before i met my RF i would always in my early letters opolgise for not being able to write russian and that i was very happy that they could speak/write at least some english.....but added that if there was something that she didnt understand or found offencive it was not my intention and to ask me to clarify.

They hardest thing in these situations for us is trust!!!! But unfortunately we automaticly suspect SCAM. The genuine women are suspected from the moment they make contact. Its wrong but unfortunatley natural for us to be suspisious. As the wise GRT has pointed out from there side while we are not seen as scammers we are seen as keyboard romeos. Very few men that go on these sites visit the women in their homeland. It takes them time also to trust you and to know that you are genuine. Dispite what you read from some of the posters on here....many of the genuine women do dream of a husband that will love them and treat them the way they should be.

Initialy my RF was only mildly interested in me, she was polite and honest...but was very reluctant to want to move so far from her home. Once we met it still took some time for her to discover who i was. Before my visit we would chat on a direct chat line maybe 2 or 3 times a week, and i would talk on the phone once a week to her. Now I HAVE to talk to her every day for at least an hour and she will chat on the computer every oppotunity her work permits. Just read all the scam posts and watch out for the warning signs....but take a chance, because if it works out its like winning the lottery.

Posted by: Raspberry

GTR, I don't think this lady is the "one", but you never know. I am trying to be fair to the ladies, and to myself. And the lady that was my #2 choice had a hard time who she wanted, and chose the other guy.

I really should give this girl in Kiev a good look first, before I write her off. Again, it's about being fair

The lady in Mariupol and I seem to have the most things in common, and get along really well. But there always seems to be "failure" looming over my shoulder, and I have to keep looking.

Ira, yes, "scam" seems to pop in my brain often. Of course, I am in the minority who have been to the FSU, so perhaps the "keyboard Romeo" pops in their minds, too, regardless.

Will just have to play things by ear, and deal with it as it comes.....

Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

GTR, I don't think this lady is the "one", but you never know. I am trying to be fair to the ladies, and to myself. And the lady that was my #2 choice had a hard time who she wanted, and chose the other guy.

I really should give this girl in Kiev a good look first, before I write her off. Again, it's about being fair

The lady in Mariupol and I seem to have the most things in common, and get along really well. But there always seems to be "failure" looming over my shoulder, and I have to keep looking.

Ira, yes, "scam" seems to pop in my brain often. Of course, I am in the minority who have been to the FSU, so perhaps the "keyboard Romeo" pops in their minds, too, regardless.

Will just have to play things by ear, and deal with it as it comes.....

I'm sure you will do fine Rass. Just go with your instincts and try to leave your heart at home on the first visit.

Good luck and enjoy your adventure!

Posted by: nocomfortzone

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Originally Posted by Raspberry

nocomfortzone, it could be a cultural perception/translation. When I was in Mariupol, I asked someone to find me an "internet cafe". They didn't know what I was talking about. But as soon as I mentioned "internet club", then they pointed me to the right direction.

Actually i remember i visited internet kafe's a few times whilst i was there to e-mail home so i never heard internet club mentioned but the girl i meet was not familar with internet, anyway. However we'd correspond with each other via what she called a "translation company" which took me a fair while to get some idea what she was talking about when i first was e-mailing to her. Essentially it seemed it meant she was paying a company that translated
e-mails that were in english into letters for her in her russian language and she'd write letters back in russian which they translate onto e-mail in english for me so essentially she was never on the internet herself or would know what to do if she visited an internet kafe.

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Also, generically, "Christian" means "Orthodoxy".

Yes, i understood that much after a little while and figured out there was some historic connection with the Greek Orthodox Church which we have here in Melbourne as there are lots of Greek descendants here. So i had some idea but I really did not connect the dots that because of the Soviet era that even if they call themself christian and mean the orthodox church by no means would the assumption of that meaning they goto church or ever read any bible like christains tend to do in western countries. Religion was pretty much banned for a couple of generations in FSU. If someone in your country or my country said they were christian i think i would be safe to assume they are probably religious to some extent but my understanding now is if someone from Ukraine or Russia was to mention they were christian it simply means if they were ever to goto church for any reason it would be the orthodox one and they could be just as non-religious as i am. The only difference is i would say i'm not a christian. The girl i talked to, wrote more of things like Feung Shei and occassionally about dreams predicting things and somethings that could be loosely associated with astrology which she said most women there bring these things up occassionally to each other so it confused me for awhile why she called herself a chistian. She did say she went to church at easter time and christmas. Anyway after a long while i've come to the conclusion they could call themself christian there and it has a different broader feel and flavour about when they use that word and it is a mix of mystical and going to church occassionally, believing in a god. Yet, i would not call myself a christian even though i was brought up a catholic because i think i'd be misleading people as i don't goto church or read or study any bible. I might goto a funeral or some ones wedding out of respect for their own beliefs but i'd never attend a church for any personal reasons as i have my own beliefs that are not into religion.
I could never see myself being a life long relationship with someone that is religious so when she mentioned she was a christian a red light went off in my head that maybe i could not really relate to her as a close friend or partner on a deep level but i kept talking to her and her own spiritual beliefs never concerned me after awhile as it slowly sunk in her calling herself a christian was a different interpretation to my own pre-concieved ideas of people from our western countries. So many things have been an eye opener that what one thing means here maybe a different thing there even if you are both using the same word after translation.

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Most Christians in the FSU are either Orthodox or Catholic. And since most westerners don't have a clue about Orthodoxy anyway, people will just mention "Christian"....if they are Catholic, the word is the almost the same in Russian as in English, so you will know.....

Well i figured out it was Orthodox as they have the christmas and easter holidays a different time to us. It sure did confuse me at first why there Father Christmas figure (and Snow Maiden) was part of their New Years celebrations as Christmas is a week before New Years here but then i realised it is the opposite over there as Christmas is on January 7 in connection with the orthodox churches so Santa Claus (or Dead Moroz) is part of the New Years and Christmas festivities there.

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Whether they practice or not, is a different story.

yes, but even if they do it still seems there is a bit of a mystical mix between old pagan ideas and traditonal church for a lot of them. I watched a Ukraine documentary called the whisperer only recently and some old lady was casting some healing spells in some kind of ritual and mixing it in with saying prayers to God at the same time so it's an interesting mix in their culture how people can be spiritual inclined over there. Some of the Amercian evangelists would be mortified and think they have to convert these people to be good bible studying folk and i'm sure got there missionaries heading over there :-)

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Same as everywhere else. Additionally, the Soviet Union was officially an athiestic country. So, religion is a "new/old" thing for some of the people.

Been a real eye opener to me to understand how it affected there culture compared to the traditional religions in our western countries.
I try to avoid people that start quoting stuff out of the bible or try to impose their own religious beliefs onto me as can happen in western world so it was refreshing to see the christian in their culture were not filled up with dogma in their minds but are more free thinking how they interpret whatever way they each want to believe.

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And even within the US, there is definition of what a "proper casino" is. Although it is a given to see roulette and craps tables in Nevada, most Indian reservation casinos do not have them......only Poker/21/Slots/Keno. At least in Washington, they don't.

Yep! In Australia there is a clear distinction between what a casino is and what a gaming/slot machine outlet is. You'll find the unsociable games in both but you'll only really find card table games, roulette, crap tables in a casino which you'll only find in major cities and only one in each city, never multipes which is what confused me when my firend from Ukraine was telling me there was lots of casinos in her city i found it very hard to belief.

I understand this difference in what a casino is meant only now have visited there. I understand much more there are both languages differences and also cultural differences but at first with FSU i tended to be concentrating on where there could be some misunderstanding with langauge and the tense of words than some differences in culture but using the same word can easily go by at first without realising there is a different feel, flavour or perception to the same word.

Even within the western countries using same language there is many words that mean completely different things. For example in England what they call football we'd call soccer, what Americans call football we call Gridiron, but what i call football is Australian Rules Football and even Americans that understand we have a different game of football here get very confused as i've heard Americans ( i meet in Ukraine) thinking i mean rugby and even in Ukraine the girl i meet in Ukraine thought i meant rugby (thought Alex Jesaulenko, one of my childhood heros, played rugby rather than aussie rules footy) when i mentioned our football here. The confusion probably comes about because our silly brothers up in Sydney call Rugby football (and there is even two versions of that there) when Rugby is more like throwball to me and closer to Gridiron than aussie rules footy.
In Ireland again there is Gaelic Football which seems a cross between soccer and aussie rules football as they use a round ball and Australia and Ireland play an International Series against each other that is a hybrid of our local game and their gaelic game but with a round ball which makes it harder for us but they are not used to the heavy physical contact in our game so tackling we have tends to be seen as been thuggery to some of them :-)

Now that i've confused and possible insulted various parts of the global community i'll finish here :-)

Posted by: Raspberry

It's getting interesting again......I hear back from her today, and the tone of the letter bothers me a bit.....as in being a bit pushy, and in a romantic sense(as in "I need you to come to Kiev and see me as soon as possible")

Plus I think she got the letter, but really didn't really read it. Something really wierd here.......could be that a "friend" is involved in this. I'm willing to bet that I would get a different answer if I wrote her through RWN or Kiev Connections. But I am reluctant to spend any credits on this. I'd like to find out, but the more I think about this, I'm better off spending time corresponding with other women anyway.

Besides, it wasn't my idea to begin with.........

Posted by: nocomfortzone

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Originally Posted by nocomfortzone

Can't tell from that letter for sure but if it was me getting that e-mail i probably would lean on the side of thinking it is a scammer and i don't like the fact she repeats herself telling you to contact here and a specific time to the the minute of the day. I'd think about 60% chance of being a scammer but still keep an open mind they might not be. They need to be more understanding and give you more information so you can have some trust.

After reading your latest update i'd think 95% chance it is a scammer.
If you are suspecting they did not read your letter properly they don't seem to be paying attention to let you know you are being heard on what you wrote which even if they are not a scammer is not very thoughtful. Instead sounds like they are giving you a one sided conversation to lead you to do what they want. I suspect get some money out of you. I'm amazed how many people apparently fall for this. I guess it's just people that are genuinely lonely and want to believe.
Don't bother with them is my advice. Send maybe a brief reply saying something like you both don't seem to be relating properly on what you wrote in past and all the best.

Posted by: Raspberry

I finally decided to report it to Elena's, and see what happens......