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Engagement Ring for a Russian Woman

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Posted by: GaryM

I know that Russian tradition doesn’t actually involve engagements as such but how many guys on here have actually gone through an "official" engagement with their RW? And did you get her a diamond engagement ring? I know my lady would love a proper engagement…well the ring part of it at least but I’m wondering how common an offical engagement is with a Russian woman before marriage which we all know usually happens only a matter of months after you've proposed anyway.

For the guys who did get engaged and bought their lady a diamond ring, which hand did she put the ring on? I know that Russian tradition for the wedding ring is the right hand but what about a non-traditional engagement ring? This could be an issue especially if you are planning a surprise and the ring finger on each hand is a slightly different size.

Finally, there is the safety issue to consider because obviously not many Russian women will be prancing around Russia flashing diamond engagement rings on their hand so it might make her an obvious mugging target. Is this likely to be a problem?

I'd appreciate anyone's views and advice on the above questions



Posted by: Chrismc

Gary

There is another thread here with more information on wedding rings and hands they are worn on etc

and another one here on a similar topic and another one about engagement rings with some more links.

Chris



Posted by: GaryM

Thanks Chris

I guess I should have done a search first



Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:
Originally Posted by GaryM
Thanks Chris

I guess I should have done a search first



No problem sometimes the answers are right there in front of us an we just forget to do a search...it happens to us all at times. You'll probably get some people chip in with their experiences anyway!!



Posted by: Spakoyna

My wife got her wedding ring 1st! Once we had progressed to the point we knew we were getting married we just started wearing wedding rings. We were married in our hearts just waiting for the government BS to let it happen! I wasn't about to take a "brilliant" to Russia. I had a wild sneaky plan to slip her engagement ring on her finger with her wedding band when we got married but it didn't pan out... I got impatient!



Posted by: GaryM

There is some interesting reading in the old discussions that Chris posted links to and it seems that at the end of the day the left-hand/right-hand thing with the rings is just down to personal preference...I guess I would just have to ask her

One thing that the discussions don't seem address is the aspect of the security of your lady walking around Russia with an expensive diamond on her hand which is something that would worry me slightly.

Also, there is the issue of insuring such a ring in Russia which does not seem to be discussed anywhere either. Can this be done and if so then how expensive is it (generally)? I know that after telling my GF in a past conversation that I had a digital camera replaced through my insurance policy after I damaged my old one she seemed a little surprised that the insurance company just replaced it...well surely that is what insurance is for is it not? Does this mean that insurance doesn't work the same way in Russia? There would obviously be no point in insuring a ring if it wasn't properly covered but it would also seem risky not to insure such an expensive item at all. Does anyone have any experience of this because it seems quite an important thing for anyone thinking of getting their RW a traditional western engagement ring.



Posted by: sidney

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One thing that the discussions don't seem address is the aspect of the security of your lady walking around Russia with an expensive diamond on her hand which is something that would worry me slightly.

My MIL gave the wife a diamond ring that was passed down thru the family because she didn't feel safe wearing it on the street. My wife had a friend that was given a beautiful neckless for an engagement gift. One day she forgot to put it inside her shirt while on the strret and it was torn from her by some petty thief. So yes it can be a potential target for theft it least more so then in america.
Sid



Posted by: GaryM

Quote:
Originally Posted by sidney
My MIL gave the wife a diamond ring that was passed down thru the family because she didn't feel safe wearing it on the street. My wife had a friend that was given a beautiful neckless for an engagement gift. One day she forgot to put it inside her shirt while on the strret and it was torn from her by some petty thief. So yes it can be a potential target for theft it least more so then in america.
Sid

Which confirms my worst fears

Most robbers are only after one thing which is money and jewellery so with the ring insured she could just hand it over to (hopefully) avoid getting hurt without having to worry about how much it cost. The insurance would then cover it for replacement.

Far from ideal as I would still be very unhappy about the potential safety issue and the trauma involved if she ever got robbed when the only intention is to do the romantic thing by giving her a diamond engagement ring as a token of your love and commitment towards her



Posted by: markgm

AlfaStrakhovanie Insurance Group is one of the largest insurers in Russia, Ukraine not sure on everything they insure though but could be worth a look.



Posted by: markgm

Quote:
Originally Posted by GaryM
Which confirms my worst fears

Most robbers are only after one thing which is money and jewellery so with the ring insured she could just hand it over to (hopefully) avoid getting hurt without having to worry about how much it cost. The insurance would then cover it for replacement.

Far from ideal as I would still be very unhappy about the potential safety issue and the trauma involved if she ever got robbed when the only intention is to do the romantic thing by giving her a diamond engagement ring as a token of your love and commitment towards her


My Partner back in April had the gold st Christopher medal i gave her last year also grabbed from around her neck when she was at a market it was the first time that it was not under her top.
I took another one over for her in May and she says she will never display it around her neck again in the open.
She has a couple of expensive rings and this has not been a problem alot of Women have nice rings on there fingers with no problems petty thieves are just after quick targets.



Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:
Originally Posted by GaryM
There is some interesting reading in the old discussions that Chris posted links to and it seems that at the end of the day the left-hand/right-hand thing with the rings is just down to personal preference...I guess I would just have to ask her

One thing that the discussions don't seem address is the aspect of the security of your lady walking around Russia with an expensive diamond on her hand which is something that would worry me slightly.

Also, there is the issue of insuring such a ring in Russia which does not seem to be discussed anywhere either. Can this be done and if so then how expensive is it (generally)? I know that after telling my GF in a past conversation that I had a digital camera replaced through my insurance policy after I damaged my old one she seemed a little surprised that the insurance company just replaced it...well surely that is what insurance is for is it not? Does this mean that insurance doesn't work the same way in Russia? There would obviously be no point in insuring a ring if it wasn't properly covered but it would also seem risky not to insure such an expensive item at all. Does anyone have any experience of this because it seems quite an important thing for anyone thinking of getting their RW a traditional western engagement ring.


Gary

I think you might find Insurance is a relatively new phenomenon in Russia/Ukraine compared to the West at least, and it is not something that the average person would often purchase, it is becoming more obtainable, but as to how good the cover is I have no idea really.

What I can tell you is that 800 Insurance licenses were suspended or withdrawn from Russian Insurance Companies in 2001 for violations of the law!! ( Source: Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation 2001 )

Chris



Posted by: sidney

Quote:
Most robbers are only after one thing which is money and jewellery so with the ring insured she could just hand it over to (hopefully) avoid getting hurt without having to worry about how much it cost.

This is not always the case. My father-in -law was robbed twice in the last three years. They got about $20 the first time and broke some ribbs even though he gave the money willingly. The last robbery they stole his cell and had him in the hospital for a week with shoulder surgery. It would be nice if they just took what they wanted but sometimes it get violent even when items are willingly given up. It may be different with women I don't know but I would not want anyone in this situation.
Sid



Posted by: GaryM

I spoke to my GF today and one thing I discovered from her is that quite a lot of girls apparently wear valuable looking rings although not for engagement reasons obviously...I guess just some kind of present from a partner or something.

If this is the case then I guess that I was wrong in thinking that she would stand out like a sore thumb with a diamond ring on her finger if lots of other girls are also wearing rings too. This would mean she would have just the same percentage chance of being robbed for jewellery as any other girl on the street who is wearing something that looks remotely valuable.

At the end of the day, everywhere in the world has crime (sadly) and for people who are the victims, it is usually just a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time unfortunately

Thanks for your input guys...it's been food for thought



Posted by: dagpop

I gave Rima her ring to her,which she wore before we were married.She had the ring 8 months.She wore it on the ring finger Americans have them on.



Posted by: Justjohn

Hi Garym

I too had the same thoughts about rings we both wished to be committed to each other but I didn’t know how to with out a ring. In the end I had a gold heart shaped pendant made then cut in half , it has an inscription on it that can only be read when they are brought together, as it was made in England we bought Ukrainian gold chains and we both where then this is our way for what its worth, Although usually weddings do take place very fast after engagement we decided to wait a little
John



Posted by: Seaview

Quote:
Originally Posted by GaryM
I know that Russian tradition doesn’t actually involve engagements as such but how many guys on here have actually gone through an "official" engagement with their RW? And did you get her a diamond engagement ring? I know my lady would love a proper engagement…well the ring part of it at least but I’m wondering how common an offical engagement is with a Russian woman before marriage which we all know usually happens only a matter of months after you've proposed anyway.

For the guys who did get engaged and bought their lady a diamond ring, which hand did she put the ring on? I know that Russian tradition for the wedding ring is the right hand but what about a non-traditional engagement ring? This could be an issue especially if you are planning a surprise and the ring finger on each hand is a slightly different size.

Finally, there is the safety issue to consider because obviously not many Russian women will be prancing around Russia flashing diamond engagement rings on their hand so it might make her an obvious mugging target. Is this likely to be a problem?

I'd appreciate anyone's views and advice on the above questions


Hello, everybody! My twopence to that.

We don't have an engagement tradition in new history of this country. I would say, that for women in their late thirties - midforties it might sound even a bit weird. Usually, man in Russia asks his girl to marry him and if everything is fine, they discuss the wedding (when, where, how much and so on) and he buys wedding rings.

At the same time, the idea of engagement is well-known in Russia because it's described in literature, it was popular in aristocratic families in the 18-19th centuries and Hollywood films are the same everywhere.

So it's ok if you go ahead with engagement idea and an engagement ring. It probably makes sense in a long-distance relationship. But be sure, it'll be taken as a definite marriage proposal (just in case).

As for wearing it in the Metro (or in the streets).... In Moscow I see more girls in the Metro wearing expensive jewelry every day, than I saw in England during a year.
Though, if you're going to present her a half million dollars ring, attach a car as a bonus. Good luck!



Posted by: niksa

Finally, there is the safety issue to consider because obviously not many Russian women will be prancing around Russia flashing diamond engagement rings on their hand so it might make her an obvious mugging target. Is this likely to be a problem?

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