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Posted by: jpierce55

I guess this is best suited here:

Sorry Deccie I could not contact you.

1. Getting there:
Well my bags were packed before I left for work on August 10, all liquids/gels in my carry-on so I had to quickly re-pack. I rushed from work to the airport hearing that I needed to be there 3-4 hours early. I got through to the gate in 30 minutes

. It was at 7:30 when the plane was suppose to leave that the bag search began. The flight left at 9:20. We landed in AMS 1:45 minutes late. My ticket stated a flight of 11:00 by the time I found the gate it was 11:05 and I was panicking waiting for a security guard to chase after me as I ran through the airport. No fear, the flight was for 1:10 to the relief of others who's tickets stated 12:00 and arrived at 11:55

2nd time in AMS and it was a bad experience but once again no fear the third time sucked to.
I got to Moscow in one piece and slightly stinking after 16 hours of no deodorant. The plane landed 20 minutes late??? and customs took 1:20 minutes to get through so lovely my $30 taxi became $56 because of the wait

.

2. The hotel:
I get to the lovely hotel Tourist finding it is prostitute free despite warnings I got that it is packed, in fact try to get ANY woman to your room and it is not pretty. Trust me I know

Tis the only good thing about the hotel, don't stay there. Its location near Botanachky Sad is a plus and minus as nothing is nearby (beside 900 acres of park), but it is peaceful. To much security in the daytime and little at night? The sidewalk caved in one day and it was all wavy. I doubt the structural integrity of the place due to that. As for the 100% English speaking staff I did not find them. The breakfast is not good, DON'T eat it. What the heck did they feed me fried cream cheese??????????? The hotel is in various states of repair/disrepair. They tried to kick me out three days early and that was a 2 hour fight, the good news is they clean my room that day (it was the only time

). Well at least you get clean towels daily.

3. The trip:

So I enjoyed Moscow this time, as much as I could enjoy a big city, I am broke but as expected only $200 over what I expected and $250 less then my limit. Not to bad. Started off rough but got better.

Saturday,
Naturally after a rough trip I slept all night Friday and woke up fully rested. Saturday I got the surprise as Elena who was SOO excited to see me again attempted to walk into my hotel room at the early hour of 2:30 p.m., and I got to meet the lovely and supposed heavy drinking Olya. HMMM. Elena gives me a hug and shows great pleasure that our shoes matched. We go to an amusement park where she would ride no rides except for the log loom. Me and Olya had a lot of fun and rode a few rides while we where not trying to kept track of Elena. We go out and eat at an Italian/Sushi bar and call it a night. Not a bad day. It takes little time to realize Olya is a ton of fun.

Sunday:
This is day to Olya shows up early and Elena is sick and doesn't come until 6:00 at night. Olya takes me to the Botanical garden and we rode the Ferris Wheel. She got Scrooge McDuck to pose in a picture with me, stuffed me in an Uzbek robe/vest/hat and took some photos. She had several photo's of us taken together. I wonder what Elena's reaction will be when she see's them :O . Glad I am here, poor Olya. Well the park is beautiful and Olya introduces me to the new love of my life Sweenie Shashlik. MMMM I love it. The Uzbek bread is also good but I question the beet salads. Olya by this time is starting to speak English as she new words but not how to say them. Well after is started getting dark Olya drags me to a mall to go bowling and states she is "almost" professional quality and I say I suck. Elena does show up and both are better than me. Olya IS pro quality and Elena above average. We had a good time there as well. Doesn't take long to realize Olya is no big drinker, has a beautiful laugh, smile, and sparkle in her eyes. Mildly devious that girl. Charming personality. So the next stop Western Union as I only brought $500 with me on the flight. Western Union on Sunday is a task esp. late at night. Lesson learned I am on 8 hours different time zone and that should not be forgotten!!! Tonight we eat at a Russian caffe for the whopping price of 333 roubles for three people, wow. I really like it when OLYA chooses where to eat as Lena's choices are usually 1300 roubles for two people. Lena eats and then time for good night, you will see this becomes the trend.

Two nights two time Olya goes to their apartmen Lena goes to her friend Liza's appartment. Two times Olya comes back with my money after paying for both my stop and her drop off. Why I wonder Lena comes back with nothing daily? HMMM?

The rest to be continued but I will tell this. Monday Olya shoes up at 6:00 Tuesday-Saturday nobody shows up before 8-9 at night and it is over at 11-11:30 nightly, and nobody at all on Monday my last day as Olya had to go to the Ukraine.

Posted by: deccie

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Originally Posted by jpierce55

Sorry Deccie I could not contact you.

No worries jpierce. If you read the extension to my own TR - I never got there! I am now leaving Sep 19.
I hope you got the answers to the questions you wanted.

Posted by: jpierce55

I got some answers and I am satisfied that I got all I will ever get. Did I mention Lena changed her name? Going to cut it shorter,

Monday #1
Olya shows up and takes me to another area of the Botanical gardens we walk around have some more pork shashlik I love that stuff. She does a lot more on learning English and we have some conversations and I learn more about Lena. Olya does not realise she was shedding light on some of my questions and obviously does not know the dishonesty Lena has shown me. The question is why she is not honest about some things because there is no reason for it. We all know people who are chronic liars. Lena shows up at 11:00 eats and leaves.

Tuesday-Friday
All late nights as mentioned and Lena likes her sushi feeding her and Olya runs roughly $50 a night or more here on out. Elena is not a warm and friendly person any of these nights and I get to see some very childish seeming hissy fits. I do get to eat at Il-Patio and loved the pizza even if it did make me sick. Friday highlights with "I need a jacket. I need a new cell phone. I need new boots. I need new jeans. I want a computer." I get a Cuban cigar, very good but not worth the money.

Saturday another late show up for both girls just food again and not much else.
Sunday
An interesting day Olya and Lena show up together at 4:00 p.m. I am told they must go to the Ukraine on Monday and it is our last day together, although I later find out she was there Monday but still did not come to see me. We go to the mall agian. I am bombarded with I need boots. I need money for a train. I have not payed for my apartment this month I need money for it ($300). I need a new cell phone. I need new jeans. I need these boots please buy them. You catching on? You can't imagine how irritated I was by this time. Still I buy her some cheap cosmetics and perfume and she is now perfectly happy like I bought her half of the world. I suspect she is clinically depressed or something like material things are the only thing that make her happy and that quickly fades.

Moday #2 is a horrid day just me and a cigar, but I do come across a Polish man and we talk about international travel/cultures for at least an hour and I learned some interesting things.

Not writing everything that happened my trip was a little more interesting then it sounds here but I got my answers I know what kind of person I was dealing with before and know for certain what went wrong. Was she using me and planning to from the beggining certainly, but I don't believe she sees it as wrong I think it is what she expects and the way she believes it should be. Is she manipulative and deceptive absolutely. Is she evil? I think no on this she has a distorted view of life and the world, and it seems something is not right in her mind. In many ways she seems 16 and not 23. And by all means with her lost weight she looks that way. I am not convinced her passport I seen is real, I can't say I believe she is 23 I think 17 at most and it may not be she is mentally ill but not an adult. Otherwise she just has not developed to the point she should be at 23 perhaps her mother over sheltered her? Most importantly I learned no chance anything could have worked between us in any possible way. I am not materialistic and it is her life blood.

Well it is over for me now and I will not be traveling over seas any time in the near future and certainly not for women.

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Sorry to hear about your experience. I hope you are not serious about giving up on RW. If I wasn't attached, I'd do it all over again ... it's worth every heartache. Good luck to you.

Posted by: zumanity

I am also sorry to hear about your expreience,kinda frustrating

Just want to make small and insignificant comment

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Originally Posted by jpierce55

Still I buy her some cheap cosmetics and perfume and she is now perfectly happy like I bought her half of the world. I suspect she is clinically depressed or something like material things are the only thing that make her happy and that quickly fades.

She was just trying to be polite that's why she squeezed out a smile and tried to look happy.
Naturally, that sort of mood fades pretty quickly.
They don't like cheap presents there.

Better is nothing than something..

Posted by: deccie

I've had more than one person who lives in Russia tell me bi-polar disorder
is not uncommon over there.

Perhaps that explains the extreme ups and downs.

I can also understand your comment about a 15 year old in an adult's body.

Posted by: jpierce55

No it was not a fake smile it was a "I got what I want" at least for now type smile. This relationship was over a good while back down feel down for me now. I was returning for answers and I got what I needed and feel a bit better.

Posted by: Chrismc

Quote:

Originally Posted by jpierce55

No it was not a fake smile it was a "I got what I want" at least for now type smile. This relationship was over a good while back down feel down for me now. I was returning for answers and I got what I needed and feel a bit better.

Well JP if you got what you wanted out of the trip and know what you want in the future then it was not wasted. We all hope these trips will give us a chance to meet our future spouses, but sometimes these journeys are not made for the obvious reasons, but to clarify and focus our minds for what we want ourselves out of a future relationship.

I see you said you would not return overseas again in the near future, but don't write it off completely as you never know what is in the future for you!!

Good luck!!
Chris

Posted by: zaniac

Hi jpierce55,

Sorry to read what happened.

Although the final outcome of your trip with the lady was not positive, you have to look around that fact. Think about all of the other things that happened on the trip, the things that you noticed, way of life etc. Even the little things you may have done outside, on your own. It may help to at least build somewhat more of a positive experience.

I don't know how many Eastern European women are as demanding as Lena. When I went to Kiev twice last winter, the lady I met, Natasha, she was also a bit like this in the sense that she was asking for things. She had asked for a new mobile phone and she wanted a new pair of boots. Natasha even sent me an sms message asking for a new mobile phone if I remember correctly, a day or two before I was flying out to Kiev. At first I replied 'no', but then later agreed to it. The idea of her wanting boots I think happened during the trip. The details anyway are all in the link incase you have not seen it already....

Kiev Trip 2: Feb 2006

A month ot two down the line, I was very glad that I went and appreciated the experiences that I had in Kiev with Natasha. I keep saying this in people's trip reports, where love was not truely found, but except for the 'finding love' concept there are usually positives that can be found from embarking on such a trip. In trying to find positives, it can help you to look forward and use the experience for a further trip.

Posted by: tonton

Jp,

I recall reading about your first trip over to meet this girl and your subsequent experiences with her. Frankly I am surprised that you went over again to meet with her - I would have kicked her over the nearest rugby post.

However, I suppose you were looking for truth and that you found. Closure and the truth is probably worth it as now you will not lose sleep wondering about her.

Good luck in the future, probably you won't contribute here anymore.

But, a big BUT, you should not discount any future communications with foreign women. The jewel is out there somewhere.

Posted by: jpierce55

Thanks, and I do look on the experiences positively I learned a good deal about some other cultures and got to see part of the world I would have never considered. Who would have ever thought Kiev is so beautiful? Met some interesting people, etc. Life experiences that will always stay with me.

Certainly no loss.

Tonton I already had decided to make that second trip, it was after I considered this trip I decided a second visit would be interesting and get some answers. Yes, it was well worth the money to get my answers.

As far as the overseas thing goes my finances are not strong enough to continue anyway, $10,000 in a little over a year is about my limit. I could do another trip but not two and not bring a woman over to a solid situation either.

Read and remember you trip Zaniac bad situation there as well.

Posted by: zaniac

We live and learn JP

Posted by: MikeCa

Sorry to hear about your experience JP. It's better that you learned now what type of person Lena is that to have spent more time on her (or even married her) and then pay a heavier price emotionally and financially.