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Posted by: firemansam

[quote southerncharmer]Hi All
My first time posting any where about my attempts to find the love a good RW. We are having are first meeting in less then 2 months. These past 2 weeks, I noticed a change in her. She seems to putting some distance in our friendship. Maybe she is cold feet. Any way, on our last telephone call, she said she visited with some other RW who had bad experiences with American men. She said these other women meet their American boyfriend and they pretty much demand sex during their first visit. When they refused, these men then claimed these women were scammers. I took the high road and explained my purpose and reason for my visiting her and she seemed to be happy, but at the same time, it looks like I am now not getting any love.

How bad are you guys treating these women. If this is the way you act, no wonder American women behave so poorly and now my special friend has serious doubts about our meeting. Now she is scared that I too will behave is this same repugnant manner. So What Gives Here [quote\]


Posted by: vic2012

Sorry Sam, but I think you are being a little naïve here.

This has little to do with AM/RW, but more to do with male sexual behaviour anywhere. Date rape and male sexual aggression is fairly common in US (and elsewhere)

I read somewhere (sorry I can’t substantiate this) that 90% of male respondents to Russian dating sites, believe that the Russian women there are desperate. They believe that, they’ll do anything to get to America. Especially from places like Moldova and poor regional areas.

With this sort of mindset, is it so surprising that men go to Russia thinking that they are in for a shag-fest? And, get disappointed and aggressive when it doesn’t materialise.

What about the cruisers, who take the women for a ride, promising so much, jumping into bed with them and then disappearing? These types of people are well known to Russian women (like scammers to AM) and this makes them more protective. My fiancé recently told me that, the only reason we didn’t sleep together at the end of my first visit was, she couldn’t tell if I was really genuine about returning (in spite of my promises).

Unfortunately money and sex can be very corrupting and people will lie through their teeth to get one or the other!


Posted by: vic2012

Sorry Sam,

I just twigged that, this is not your thread. I'm not sure why you posted it, but my response is still the same.


Posted by: GentleGiant

There are a lot of sex tourists going over there and heading for the really poor areas to pork anything that moves, not just yanks but having the largest mouths and the loudest shirts, they are the most noticable.
I was very careful to avoid looking like a yank, less chance of the Mafia kid-napping me for ransome that way as well.

My girl got cold feet and distant in the weeks before AND AFTER; and personally speaking I was retching my guts out in fear of the meeting as well. Both sides put a lot of feeling and potential hurt into these visits, so it is no wonder that they get cold feet.

I was very worried in the week after my visit that she seemed to have changed her mind and she even told me I might want to look for someone else !! But after another week of messages she is being affectionate again and her friends say she is practising her English very hard and working on obtaining her passport and visa.
(Bugger! its raining and I only put the washing on the line 1/2 hour ago)

Yesterday, right at the end of her daily message she said she was missing me; that made my heart do flip flops.

Perhaps you should do as I did, tell her straight out that you think she is fantastic BUT, you want to take things slowly and want to assure her you are not looking for sex on this visit.

Treat the whole visit as a first date; would you respect a woman who jumped into bed with you the first night?? sure you would enjoy it but at the back of your mind you would be asking yourself "Is she this easy to bed for everybody??"

I made only the most feeble of efforts, a few days into my visit, just to show I was interested, but would have crossed her off my list if she had agreed. The most intimate we got was feeding each other slices of fruit and a few massages to feet, legs and shoulders.
But oh my she looks good in a wet bikini !!!!!!!


Posted by: EZE

Sam

You are being tested. Don't flinch.

The rest of the world is not causing a problem with your lady's attitude towards you. Don't even let it go there.

She is going to have a lot of fears and doubts because moving from friends, family... her whole world and depending on you is going to make her extremely nervous.

Ask her how many examples of a guy demanding they put out early on and then dumping them if they don't have happened in her home town? A BUNCH! Now you are continuing the relationship and making plans to see her again....ask her why we are even talking about this!?

Oh, an even better one is they have all read about girls leaving the country with a man or for a new job and end up in prostitution....be prepared for that one too. You are likely to get different versions of questions that really point to being nervous, having cold feet, and no idea how life in your country works.

My wife was very nervous until I decided to bring some of my family to visit. When our moms met and talked for a while, everyone calmed down about the big change. They are used to having an extended support network and will expect this when they get here. Through your family, and other countrymen (women) that they meet here. (Tip for later on, be careful about the peer group she develops when she arrives to your place, there are good countryment and bad ones).


Posted by: ham

Quote:
She said these other women meet their American boyfriend and they pretty much demand sex during their first visit. When they refused, these men then claimed these women were scammers.


that makes little to no sense besides fishing for empathy or setting you up.
I mean...say i landed in Moscow, then i approach the first officer and ask: " I heard that Russia is a third world wasteland; that mafia will be after me and after all you all are a bunch of traitors in cahoots with muslim supremacists ".
???????????????
Why did i go there, then?!

Why does she still seek WMs if she (= whoever happens to think like that ) has evidence ( still debatable but i can't set rules for someone else ) ; I F she thinks WMs are like that?
Pretty suspicious.

S E C O N D

i find it laughable that a grown-up woman has that attitude...or did she (= whoever thinks that way ) sell that she's still a virgin & stuff like that ( yes, i got that, too )?
Come on...she must have had sex with one or preferably many men in her lifetime, so what's the difference between what THEY wanted & what Barney, Leroy, Pedro or Wong might want?

I agree 110% the body is hers she's the ONLY one to decide about it & no undue pressure ought to be applied to force anybody into sexual acts unwillingly. Yet if she shows contempt for basic male-female rules of the game, watch out.
Once married she might keep playing that song about brute lusty men who only mind sex.

Quote:
Perhaps you should do as I did, tell her straight out that you think she is fantastic BUT, you want to take things slowly and want to assure her you are not looking for sex on this visit.


i suggest none downplays his need or like for sex UNLESS they are 110% sure they are like that (= they need no or little sex ). My private answer would be that none will be insisting or forcing her into committing acts she's not in agreement with, but that's it.

Quote:
With this sort of mindset, is it so surprising that men go to Russia thinking that they are in for a shag-fest?


i said this before: if all you need is a shagfest, then grab a calculator and add accomodation, airfare & other expenses up, THEN decide whether you can't get a better & easier deal at your local brothel for much less.


Posted by: vic2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by ham
Why does she still seek WMs if she (= whoever happens to think like that ) has evidence ( still debatable but i can't set rules for someone else ) ; I F she thinks WMs are like that?
Pretty suspicious.

Come on Ham, for the same reason we still seek RW knowing we could get scammed. She would regard a guy who wasn't looking for sex immediately, as a safer bet. And thats what she's looking for.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ham
i find it laughable that a grown-up woman has that attitude...or did she (= whoever thinks that way ) sell that she's still a virgin & stuff like that ( yes, i got that, too )?
Come on...she must have had sex with one or preferably many men in her lifetime, so what's the difference between what THEY wanted & what Barney, Leroy, Pedro or Wong might want?

Simply, THEY want to be sure Barney or Wong is not a cruiser. And, that a relationship is a real possibility.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ham
i suggest none downplays his need or like for sex UNLESS they are 110% sure they are like that (= they need no or little sex ). My private answer would be that none will be insisting or forcing her into committing acts she's not in agreement with, but that's it.
Unfortunately, this is something that is difficult to spot on the first visit and may not become more clear until the second visit. Its a chance we take and it can prove quite expensive!



Quote:
Originally Posted by ham
i said this before: if all you need is a shagfest, then grab a calculator and add accomodation, airfare & other expenses up, THEN decide whether you can't get a better & easier deal at your local brothel for much less.
Wrong.
Two important elements are missing from using the local brothel.
1. You're on holiday. Travelling abroad and having fun.
2, The thrill of the chase!!!! (and of course how many scores you notch up on one holiday)


Posted by: Texas Proud

One of those trash the Yanks threads... well, get a life...

There are about 300 million people here... you can not use a brush to paint all of us the same..

I was offered sexual favors from two RW if I took them on a vacation... and they were very good looking women.. do I think ALL russian women are looking for this??? NO..

I have had a few scammers looking for money... do I think ALL are??? NO..

I have heard ALL Aussie men drink to much and get in fights... do I believe it??? NO

There are people who will use women for sex slavery.. but would they spend the time to write etc.. like we are??? NO

A lot of the fear aspects thrown around are not true at all... or the percentage is very low..

And then there is the differences in the same experience... my visit to the first lady nothing happened until we had taken the trip to Yalta... then she became more open.. was it because we were on a trip and I was shelling out money??? I do not know.. but, when we were back in Kiev and talking to one of her girlfriends, she drops a bombshell that she wanted to have a daughter.. now, I had said from my introduction letter that I did NOT want to have kids.. I would love their's but no new ones... so, with this I dropped her.. is she telling people that I was a 'sex tourist'??? I do not know... but it was not the reason to go there and it was HER changing that broke us up..

So, do not believe everything you read.. or hear...


Posted by: firemansam

First let me say, Sorry all,
I had started to post this last night and then decided to can the whole thing but somehow it kinda half posted. Well the quote ended up there and none of what I was going to say!

But since it's out there now.....

I found this in another thread and thought that it was topical given my trip and NO it is not intended to be a bash the yanks topic, rather, an investigation into RW's thoughts on "sex tourists", and how members of the RMP view's of "others" who might be engaging in such trips.

For me, it was pointed out, late in my trip, that it is apparently quite common for men (not just american) to expect sex served up on a plate because just they are in the FSU with a fat wallet. I can tell you that had the opportunity arose, (no punn intended!) that yes it had crossed my mind, but I had no plans or intentions that sex would occur on my first visit and to be honest, I'm glad it didn't!!

As I keep saying, if we are meant to be, it will all still happen for us. It will just take more than one visit and like any relationship, the more time spent together the stronger the relationship is. I was not on a mission to conquer 1 or 20 women wilst OS.

So, back to the original "quote", has anyone else come across the feeling/belief, that there are many men visiting the FSU, not so much looking for a life partner but more so for a "good time" as it were??????


Posted by: firemansam

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Proud
One of those trash the Yanks threads... well, get a life...

There are about 300 million people here... you can not use a brush to paint all of us the same.....

I would like to think that you don't REALLY believe that my charecter is like this Texas.

I don't believe I have ever "bashed" any nationality and I can not think of a day that I would.

Sam.


Posted by: waiting123

Quote:
Originally Posted by firemansam
I would like to think that you don't REALLY believe that my charecter is like this Texas.

I don't believe I have ever "bashed" any nationality and I can not think of a day that I would.

Sam.


Mett ( HE HE HE) I think we all know your character... You have never insulted any nationality or person, that I know of.

I think that TP, is just stating that a lot of people stereo type Americans, as some Americans do with other nationalities.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Okay I'll dispell the rumor. I didn't go to Russia expecting sex. It happened but she initiated it not me. I was suprised and it didn't happen on the first day. What was I suppose to do ... say NO!!!


Posted by: waiting123

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Okay I'll dispell the rumor. I didn't go to Russia expecting sex. It happened but she initiated it not me. I was suprised and it didn't happen on the first day. What was I suppose to do ... say NO!!!


Didn't happen the first day ehh?

but it did the first night


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by waiting123
Didn't happen the first day ehh?

but it did the first night


Nope, or the second day/night.


Posted by: vic2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by firemansam
So, back to the original "quote", has anyone else come across the feeling/belief, that there are many men visiting the FSU, not so much looking for a life partner but more so for a "good time" as it were??????
Yes I wondered what the actual question was that, I had answered. In fact, considering the question didn't exist, I think I answered it quite well!

However, now the question has been asked, I would add to my original posting that, having joined and contributed to RMP, long before my visits to Ukraine and Siberia, I was able to travel there with my eyes open. I had an idea of what to expect and I was not really disappointed that sex wasn't forthcoming on the first trip (although I came damn close!) I was just so happy that, she was everything I had hoped for and that, I knew I would be returning to her.

Like I said before, if its true that, 90% of men who contact RW, believe them to be desperate, then most of those men who actually make the journey, will expect to get laid immediately. And this will always be a problem.

It's always better to correspond first and build up a raport with your potential partner, before visiting.

Sorry that, I called you naïve Sam. I should have read the thread more carefully. And on the subject of partners, thanks for the lovely comment you made about the photo of my fiancé "rugged up" for the Siberian winter.


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Okay I'll dispell the rumor. I didn't go to Russia expecting sex. It happened but she initiated it not me. I was suprised and it didn't happen on the first day. What was I suppose to do ... say NO!!!


My situation too GTR. She initiated because I didn't expect it.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by deccie
My situation too GTR. She initiated because I didn't expect it.


Okay, there are some good Yanks and Aussies out there ... now what about the brits?


Posted by: vic2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
now what about the brits?

Tut tut GTR, you've not been following my postings on this thread!


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by vic2012
Tut tut GTR, you've not been following my postings on this thread!


No I read your post, I guess I didn't notice your from Tony Blair land.

Let's see, what nationality is next ... CANADIANS!!!


Posted by: bobjf

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
No I read your post, I guess I didn't notice your from Tony Blair land.

Let's see, what nationality is next ... CANADIANS!!!


unfortunately there are scumbags everywhere & it's always the minority that give the majority a bad name
so called sex tours don't help anyone but i'm also sure there are guys who think this is the norm


Posted by: firemansam

Quote:
Originally Posted by vic2012
Yes I wondered what the actual question was that, I had answered. In fact, considering the question didn't exist, I think I answered it quite well!

However, now the question has been asked, I would add to my original posting that, having joined and contributed to RMP, long before my visits to Ukraine and Siberia, I was able to travel there with my eyes open. I had an idea of what to expect and I was not really disappointed that sex wasn't forthcoming on the first trip (although I came damn close!) I was just so happy that, she was everything I had hoped for and that, I knew I would be returning to her.

Like I said before, if its true that, 90% of men who contact RW, believe them to be desperate, then most of those men who actually make the journey, will expect to get laid immediately. And this will always be a problem.

It's always better to correspond first and build up a raport with your potential partner, before visiting.

Sorry that, I called you naïve Sam. I should have read the thread more carefully. And on the subject of partners, thanks for the lovely comment you made about the photo of my fiancé "rugged up" for the Siberian winter.


Hey Vic, no probs mate, especially when given my post didn't actually include, MY POST! LOL!!

The reason I brought it up was I hadn't really given the whole "sex tourist" thing much of a thought but whilst in Kharkov, I was told in a round-a-bout way that the numbers of men in this category could actually be quite high. (which suprised me!) And then I got to thinking that such "tourists" make life that bit harder for those of us with true intentions.

So I guess what I was wondering, via this thread, is, are those of us who choose to walk this path, initially tared with the same brush on our arrival? Then as time passes, the true us gets to shine through?

Like I said, it would appear that there are a LOT of men who are out there shopping for sex. So I was wondering if others have found similar thoughts and feelings from those they have come in contact with on their trips.

One thing I didn't mention in my story was the night at the Irish Pub, The guys put me on their mobile phone with some other guy who spoke GREAT English. The first words out of his mouth were "So you are in the Ukraine looking to F@$k girls?"

It would appear to me, at least, that this might be a common view of westerners....

Oh, and it was a good picture!
Sam.


Posted by: deccie

I find the whole sex tourist thing a bit hard to understand.

Despite the fact I was in bed and asleep when the whole thing (she) started I got the sex tourist accusation thrown back in my face later.

However, when I responded with "ok, fine, if the only way to prove to you that's not why I'm here - we won't do that next time" got a mad panic response "oh no, you can't do that!"


Posted by: EasyTarget

The situation is true for women also...
Living in Hawaii we get lots of women who come with their girlfriends and are looking for a tropical diversion. (wink, wink, nudge, nudge). And yes we do call those women sex tourists.


Posted by: firemansam

Quote:
Originally Posted by deccie
I find the whole sex tourist thing a bit hard to understand.

Despite the fact I was in bed and asleep when the whole thing (she) started I got the sex tourist accusation thrown back in my face later.

However, when I responded with "ok, fine, if the only way to prove to you that's not why I'm here - we won't do that next time" got a mad panic response "oh no, you can't do that!"


Wow deccie! I would not have thought that you would have had to endure this... (accusation that is) Still I like how you handled it!! Well done that man!


Posted by: Spakoyna

Firemansam,
I'm happy you retracted your statement! Perhaps you should start a poll? I made the mistake of asking her last night if more Americans, Europeans, or Aussies were "Sex Tourists".

Well, I had to listen to her for more than an hour! She said it was personality of 2 people...not nationality. I asked about Aussies and she said very few Aussies come compared to others.

She then proceeded to talk about some of the women she knew from here agency. Some were screwed buy visiting suitors and others would sleep with any man who paid them a visit!

Anyway...to address your question....Yes, the path started by a few others did make for some difficult discussions with my wife.(They still pop up occasionaly!) She knows or has known ladies who were taken advantage(even a few who went to other countries on fiancee visas) so she was very careful.


Posted by: vic2012

In Omsk, there’s a woman who runs an agency and is the local sage on all things to do with international dating.

V has contacted her on numerous occasions for advice. What she has to say about men looking for partners in general is, none too complimentary; although, I cannot understand why sex tourists would want to go all the way to Siberia. But apparently, they do. It is a widespread problem.

We have an advantage in the fact that, if we suspect a girl of scamming, there are numerous sites and, of course, google to check her out. She, on the other hand, has no way of knowing whether the sweet talking guy she is dating, is genuine. These “cruisers” line up a string of “hits” and if she doesn’t come across quickly, when he’s there, he gets aggressive and then, he just moves on. And they are known to be such accomplished liars that, many girls will definitely not entertain sex on the first visit of a man, even when they want to (my loss!). My girl was well warned!!!
As Spokoyna has shown, all women know of this problem.
And finally, TexasProud, I have no wish to knock or run down the American race. But I am told that, cruising seems to be highly populated by American men. And, that rubs off on all of us.

Shame.

But this does begs the question, if your girl does "come across" quickly on your first visit, do you then feel differently about her?


Posted by: firemansam

Quote:
Originally Posted by vic2012
But this does begs the question, if your girl does "come across" quickly on your first visit, do you then feel differently about her?

Vic, a very good point! I know I have feelings on this, but maybe not so much as the first visit, more so, the early days... But just the same, an interesting point you poise!

For me, I can only speak of local women and to be honest, I swing both ways when looking at this question. As such, I would have to answer that at the end of the day it does not really matter... But maybe others think differently? Especially when it comes to LDR's?

I knew this would be an interesting subject, just wish I had opened it better.. LOL!


Posted by: Texas Proud

Fireman...

No, I do not think that you thought this way... I saw you putting down a quote from someone else and nothing more... I responded to what was down...

Now, let me expand on this thread...

There are sex tourist going to the FSU from ALL countries...

There are sex tourists going to ALL countries from ALL countries... it is how you define sex tourist...

How many Brits go to Ibeza (sp??) to only drink?? How many Americans go down to Florida on spring break only to drink?? What about the people who go to Brazil for Maudi Gras??? And the people who go on cruises to an exotic island??? A good number of them are hoping to find someone to get laid...

Now, is it the majority (well, for Ibeza and spring break yes....) no... does it happen??? Yes...

There are lots of men who expect to have sex with someone they date within three dates or they drop the girl??? Is this right??? Are they sex predators?? Just like a sex tourist??

And as I had mentioned in another thread... I was offered sex for a vacation from a couple of very georgeous women... and I would say from their letters that they were not prositutes.. they did not bring it up until we had written for awhile.. are they sex tourists??

Sorry for rambling... but there are so many examples that mean nothing in the end... if you visit your lady and things go well, then at some time you will want to explore a bit more... and I would think that she would want to explore more.. and there are many other things that could break you up..


Posted by: vic2012

Of course you're right Texas.
All people, all countries.

I'm the first to hold up my hand. Ibiza, Greek islands, they are meccas for British sex tourists. Why, we even have tour operators who openly cater for this trade! We have television "fly-on-the-wall" programmes following the escapades of the Brits and the Tour Reps on their embarassing rampages. It never ceases to amaze me.

But......Everybody knows what goes on when they book one of these trips. You go with your eyes wide open. I'm sure many of these holiday romances end in heartache. But, everyone was aware to start with.

Cruisers, on the other hand, lie and deceive their way to a girls heart, prior to their visit to FSU. They use dating sites to get to vulnerable women who are looking for security and a long term stable relationship. These callous s**ts dont give a toss about the damage they cause, And, Texas, the fact that this particular industry seems generally to be populated by American men, is in no way representative of Americans in general, I am sure.
I assure you that, for me, this is not an American bashing exercise.


Posted by: bingism

2-cents to the wind..... you prbably wouldn't be living and breathing if you didn't want some on your first visit.... not good but true - let's not g=beat around the bush!

(although I'm sure someone will try to take the moral high-ground!(


Posted by: vic2012

Absolutely true Bing!!

I may have posed the question, but I was up for it on day one!!!
I arrived at 5 in the morning. By the evening, were walking with our arms around each other, we were kissing and, I was 99% certain we would be sleeping together.

And, I was right. But.....it was only sleeping together. So near, but so far.

I knew instinctively that,she was the one. And, it wouldn't have mattered to me at all, if she had given in on day one!


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by vic2012
the fact that this particular industry seems generally to be populated by American men, is in no way representative of Americans in general, I am sure. I assure you that, for me, this is not an American bashing exercise.


Ok Americans, we've been challenged.

I did not go to Russia looking for sex, on a sex tour, or to meet multiple women. I think most American RMP members are the same way. My RW and I did not have sex on the first day I met her. It wasn't until after we got to know each other and felt comfortable with each other. I stayed the entire time at her apartment at her insistance.


Posted by: Texas Proud

Quote:
Originally Posted by vic2012
Cruisers, on the other hand, lie and deceive their way to a girls heart, prior to their visit to FSU. They use dating sites to get to vulnerable women who are looking for security and a long term stable relationship. These callous s**ts dont give a toss about the damage they cause, And, Texas, the fact that this particular industry seems generally to be populated by American men, is in no way representative of Americans in general, I am sure.
I assure you that, for me, this is not an American bashing exercise.


Again.. I will answer what is down...

There are "cruisers" all over the place... When I was working in London I was interested in the girl... well, there was this other guy that 'got' her... but, he wasa cruiser.. said what she wanted to hear when she wanted to hear it.. well,things went bad... I one day asked him about it and his quote was 'If it moves FU$K IT"... now, this is like people in the US, Australia, NZ... and RUSSIA...

My GF was talking about her brother who has 5 or 6 GFs... he has a good job and is not drunk all the time... so a 'good catch', but he uses it to his benefit..

So my point... there are ALWAYS guys that want to put notches on a belt.. and some are now too old or too fat or whatever to get a young girl in thier own country so they go to a place where they can score... and let's put SOME blame on the girls... they do not have to 'give it up'... if she made a guy come for a second visit before she did it would cut it down a LOT

To me, what is worse is the ones going to the Asian countries and having sex with YOUNG girls... some as young as 12!!! Now that is sex tourism...


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Proud
Again.. I will answer what is down...

There are "cruisers" all over the place... When I was working in London I was interested in the girl... well, there was this other guy that 'got' her... but, he wasa cruiser.. said what she wanted to hear when she wanted to hear it.. well,things went bad... I one day asked him about it and his quote was 'If it moves FU$K IT"... now, this is like people in the US, Australia, NZ... and RUSSIA...

My GF was talking about her brother who has 5 or 6 GFs... he has a good job and is not drunk all the time... so a 'good catch', but he uses it to his benefit..

So my point... there are ALWAYS guys that want to put notches on a belt.. and some are now too old or too fat or whatever to get a young girl in thier own country so they go to a place where they can score... and let's put SOME blame on the girls... they do not have to 'give it up'... if she made a guy come for a second visit before she did it would cut it down a LOT

To me, what is worse is the ones going to the Asian countries and having sex with YOUNG girls... some as young as 12!!! Now that is sex tourism...



Thank you TP!!!


Posted by: vic2012

Yes, some very valid points Texas.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TexasProud
So my point... there are ALWAYS guys that want to put notches on a belt.. and some are now too old or too fat or whatever to get a young girl in thier own country so they go to a place where they can score... and let's put SOME blame on the girls... they do not have to 'give it up'... if she made a guy come for a second visit before she did it would cut it down a LOT
I said earlier that apparantly, around 90% of men contacting FSU women believe they are desperate. Unfortunately, many women actually are, which is why they “give it up” so easily. And that it turn, drives the sharks in their direction.

You are right. If a guy looks in the right place he’ll find a girl all too willing to oblige, believing this man will become the love of her life.

At least they’re grown up. And can make the choice. As for some of the defenceless kids in Asia, I don’t even want to think about the Paedos there. That’s just sickening and heartbreaking.


Posted by: ham

Quote:
2, The thrill of the chase!!!! (and of course how many scores you notch up on one holiday)


the thrill of the chase is when you park a Daewoo Matiz car next to a row of BMW & Mercedes, enter the party & f@ck the prom queen.
It will never happen to me.

There is not only the stereotypical american in his 50's with the the hawaii shirt, thirteen golden necklaces, sun-toasted to look younger, talking
loudly so everyone knows he's from the land of plenty, while probably he's draining his FSA account.
Now let's get real about thinking about him as a "marriage-minded" or "honest" or "dependable" anything...
Reports abound about the kind of women this kind of men meet at socials.
It has been documented companies fish for ladies under the "free food & drinks " category and it has been shown a sizeable number of prostitutes and dating professionals
attend these events; often men reported attending 2 events from 2 competing agencies, and how significant the overlap was between female attendees at both events.

The non-tour scene is as well plagued by scammers, novelty seekers and good time girls.

What's the difference with inland dating scenes?
Won't men lie or cheat or misrepresent in order to get sex?
Most will, some won't.
Some women may be interested in pulling this "fast one" about "desperation", while most of the easy women wouldn't even consider packing herrings for a honest living: some five minutes sex with some
old westerner who has more loose skin on his chest than a bulldog on its face will always make them more money, whether in cash, gifts or good time.
Desperation or a fast track?

There are keyboard Romeos but there are as many Juliets out there, who prey upon gullible men talking flowery words.
Most men who are/were scammed (inclunding myself) never had any sex.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by ham
the thrill of the chase is when you park a Daewoo Matiz car next to a row of BMW & Mercedes, enter the party & f@ck the prom queen.
It will never happen to me.

There is not only the stereotypical american in his 50's with the the hawaii shirt, thirteen golden necklaces, sun-toasted to look younger, talking
loudly so everyone knows he's from the land of plenty, while probably he's draining his FSA account.
Now let's get real about thinking about him as a "marriage-minded" or "honest" or "dependable" anything...
Reports abound about the kind of women this kind of men meet at socials.
It has been documented companies fish for ladies under the "free food & drinks " category and it has been shown a sizeable number of prostitutes and dating professionals
attend these events; often men reported attending 2 events from 2 competing agencies, and how significant the overlap was between female attendees at both events.

The non-tour scene is as well plagued by scammers, novelty seekers and good time girls.

What's the difference with inland dating scenes?
Won't men lie or cheat or misrepresent in order to get sex?
Most will, some won't.
Some women may be interested in pulling this "fast one" about "desperation", while most of the easy women wouldn't even consider packing herrings for a honest living: some five minutes sex with some
old westerner who has more loose skin on his chest than a bulldog on its face will always make them more money, whether in cash, gifts or good time.
Desperation or a fast track?

There are keyboard Romeos but there are as many Juliets out there, who prey upon gullible men talking flowery words.
Most men who are/were scammed (inclunding myself) never had any sex.



I'm a 50+ American that doesn't want to play that game and I don't have skin hanging on my chest. You are being too general and sterotypical..


Posted by: Spakoyna

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Ok Americans, we've been challenged.

I did not go to Russia looking for sex, on a sex tour, or to meet multiple women. I think most American RMP members are the same way. My RW and I did not have sex on the first day I met her. It wasn't until after we got to know each other and felt comfortable with each other. I stayed the entire time at her apartment at her insistance.


I went to Russia to meet my wife...although I did get talked into the tour By Global Ladies. I took 4 ladies out for lunch or dinner under the pretense they fully understood I was in Russia to meet my now wife! I told them if things were not good between my now wife we could see what happened.My now wife and I spent 3 weeks together in 2 countries...most of the time in the same room! WE DID NOT HAVE SEX TOGETHER! I wanted it and she wanted it. We both knew it was better to wait!


Posted by: ham

Quote:
ou are being too general and sterotypical..


i'm not talking about anyone.
I just said that when(ever) women meet those stereotyped good time men, they are quite easy to spot, whether they are Barney from Oklahoma or Kongo from Uganda or Wong from Taiwan.
It escapes me how anyone would fall for their charades.
Unless women had a reason to play along with them.


Posted by: vic2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by ham
they are quite easy to spot, whether they are Barney from Oklahoma or Kongo from Uganda or Wong from Taiwan.
It escapes me how anyone would fall for their charades
I'm sorry Ham, but you're wrong again.

So, you reckon it's so easy for a RW to spot a cruiser.

Well, put the scenario the other way round:
If a Russian woman (who probably has little access to the internet) can spot one of these guys easily. Then it should be just as easy for a WM (who has plenty of internet access) to spot a Russian woman scammer.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ham
Most men who are/were scammed (inclunding myself) never had any sex.
Nuf said!


Posted by: Cheburashka

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spakoyna
My now wife and I spent 3 weeks together in 2 countries...most of the time in the same room! WE DID NOT HAVE SEX TOGETHER! I wanted it and she wanted it. We both knew it was better to wait!


Strong!!! It is a shame that more people don't believe the "moral high road" is possible.


Posted by: ham

Quote:
If a Russian woman (who probably has little access to the internet) can spot one of these guys easily. Then it should be just as easy for a WM (who has plenty of internet access) to spot a Russian woman scammer.


YES, definitely YES.
When i was scammed in 1999, there wasn't much information around about scammers, scam scenarios, conpeople etc. You would read mostly milk&honey agency propaganda & you mostly had places stuffed by middlemen in disguise who could pitch such outrageous sales as " If you only make $800 a month...if you only have a dishwasher...". They are doing so even to this day, but to the general public's benefit, there IS information now and there are people who challenge these myths. Scams have been documented beyond reasonable doubt over&over.
I was an idiot (pure & simple) because i fell for it head first.
There is no 110% surefire solution; no quick fix because fraud comes under many pretenses & degrees; as well it depends on how vulnerable a man is and/or willing to believe it.
HOWEVER
These days a well-informed man on guard can weed off most scammers easily enough (=never send money under any circumstance ).
Take the "doctor abroad" scene ( a variation of the travel scam plot ): a FSUW claims to be a doctor. She's visiting your country soon. No need to worry: her visa/travel whatever have been taken care of by the physicians' guilds (ministries, embassies, symposium committees, whatever) that sponsors her ( her country's & yours). So far so good: sit down & wait for her arrival. Too bad that -just when she's about to leave- she is disappointed to discover that her FSU physicians' guild ( committee, etc ) went bankrupt or has no funds because [insert flowery geopolitical explanation] and (!!!!) she needs $500,600,1000, whatever because it was a 50:50 or whatever agreement and your country's physicians' guild only covers certain expenses. She's so sad because she's scheduled to fly to you tomorrow, so you can live happy ever after...and all it takes are some $300,500...otherwise she must cancel & resign to a life of loneliness among violent domestic drunkards.

Now don't laugh, because i've read about such scam plot being used AT LEAST 4 times over the last months, according to the 2-3 forums i visit.
The difference these days is that you can read about it...men can make educated choices now.


Posted by: GentleGiant

I would like to say sorry, I was the first one to talk about loud mouthed Yanks.

I know that 99% are not like that but, unfortunatley that 1% seems to spend their whole lives going round the world pi$$ing people off.
When I was in Orlando all the locals I met were nice,, not just park employes but I have met very few outside the states who didnt fall into the LOUD or ARROGANT BSTARD catagories.
As an idea of what I mean, next time your are in Moscow go to one of the local makrkets and look at the ground; then go to the Kremlin, find a good photo op position and look at the ground.

What do you see ?? fcuking covered in chewing gum; left by whom ???? There are bins everywhere for fcuks sake !!!


Posted by: GentleGiant

Sorry again, missing the GF rather a lot today and its got me in a rather bad mood.

It was her birthday Saturday and I wanted to be there.

I am going to chill out in the bath with a few pints of tea and a good book; night


Posted by: vic2012

Ham,
Nice of you to take my gentle ribbing so well!

But I stand my ground.
When she gets a reply from a good looking guy who claims he's got a great job in US, car, holidays abroad etc. (but he doesn't go over the top; its believeable). Out come the rose coloured spectacles! At this point, she doesn't want to spot the cruiser.

How do I know? Because its exactly the same in reverse. I had an absolute peach of a girl write to me and I started corresponding with her. The question as to, why she would be interested in me (and I was old enough to be her father) hardly registered.
http://russianmeetingplace.com/foru...75703#post75703 (see what I mean?)
That post also tells you the outcome.

Of course, I am not quite so wet behind the ears now. But I have had a years access to RMP.

So, what have these girls got that, helps them to differentiate? Especially if she lives in some backwater.

And, whilst she is still wearing the rose coloured specs, and the guy turns up on her doorstep with his trousers round his ankles. Does she really want to lose him? Hard choice (so to speak).


Posted by: Texas Proud

Quote:
Originally Posted by GentleGiant
I would like to say sorry, I was the first one to talk about loud mouthed Yanks.

I know that 99% are not like that but, unfortunatley that 1% seems to spend their whole lives going round the world pi$$ing people off.
When I was in Orlando all the locals I met were nice,, not just park employes but I have met very few outside the states who didnt fall into the LOUD or ARROGANT BSTARD catagories.
As an idea of what I mean, next time your are in Moscow go to one of the local makrkets and look at the ground; then go to the Kremlin, find a good photo op position and look at the ground.

What do you see ?? fcuking covered in chewing gum; left by whom ???? There are bins everywhere for fcuks sake !!!


Hmmm.. where to start...

Well, if you were vacationing somewhere and you saw someone being loud, in a Hawaiian shirt, shorts and 'trainers' for you UK folks... it is a good chance it is a 'Yank'.. I was surprised the year I lived in London how many I saw on the tube... but, NONE that I saw were mean spirited...

I also would say that the gum part was more prevalent (sp??) in the UK than the US... not many people here actually chew gum... I can not say for other countries... but I did see it in the UK more..

And you are right.. it is the 1 or so percent of the people that create the problems...

Now, here is a stat that SHOCKED me to no end.... crime in London is 10 times higher than in New York.. I was surprised as my sisters said they felt safer in London than NY... but did not feel really unsafe in either except when my one sister got lost in Harlem at night.... seems a lot more pickpockets, cell phone thefts etc... not violent crimes, but crime non the less..


Posted by: EasyTarget

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Proud
Well, if you were vacationing somewhere and you saw someone being loud, in a Hawaiian shirt, shorts and 'trainers' for you UK folks...

What have you got against Hawaiian shirts. Most Hawaiian shirts are quite nice.


Posted by: GentleGiant

I dont know where you got that stat or how accurate it is, I dont feel safe in ANY big city at night these days; too many feral kids and their parents. Your sisters probably feel safer cos there's less chance of gettingshot; I dont know if it's still true but there used to be more deaths by shooting in any one major US city each night than in the UK in a year.

ps Nothing wrong with the hawaiian shirts, I used to own one; but its where they get worn;mostly though, it was the LOUD condecending voices "MANUAL WINDOW OPENERS !!! HOW QUAINT!!!! that really used to get to me, and T-A-L-K-I-N-G R-E-A-L-L-Y- S-L-O-W-L-Y I-N A R-E-A-L-L-Y L-O-U-D V-O-I-C-E so that you could understand them,, its our bloody language !!!!!


Posted by: vic2012

Quote:
Originally Posted by EasyTarget
What have you got against Hawaiian shirts. Most Hawaiian shirts are quite nice.
Yeah, providing you're wearing at least two pairs of sunglasses


Posted by: Texas Proud

Quote:
Originally Posted by GentleGiant
I dont know where you got that stat or how accurate it is, I dont feel safe in ANY big city at night these days; too many feral kids and their parents. Your sisters probably feel safer cos there's less chance of gettingshot; I dont know if it's still true but there used to be more deaths by shooting in any one major US city each night than in the UK in a year.

ps Nothing wrong with the hawaiian shirts, I used to own one; but its where they get worn;mostly though, it was the LOUD condecending voices "MANUAL WINDOW OPENERS !!! HOW QUAINT!!!! that really used to get to me, and T-A-L-K-I-N-G R-E-A-L-L-Y- S-L-O-W-L-Y I-N A R-E-A-L-L-Y L-O-U-D V-O-I-C-E so that you could understand them,, its our bloody language !!!!!


GG.... sounds like disdain in your writing.... so sorry to hear...

Your "hearing" is just way off.... from the site I get most of my stats, they said the UK had 62 murders using firearm in a year (did not say which year)... Houston is one of the major cities and if I remember correctly we had 300 something murders last year (less than 400) and I do not know how many were firearms.. there is NO PLACE EVER in the US were 62 people were being killed every night....

For stats... here is the list of murder by firearm.. can not tell if this is a one or two year number.. but there are many in the US that are drug related... turf wars..

#1 South Africa 31,918
#2 Colombia 21,898
#3 Thailand 20,032
#4 United States 8,259
#5 Mexico 3,589

And you have disdain in your voice for our southern folk... some talk loud and slow normally... has nothing to do with making you want to hear... and come on... some accents are hard to understand.... some Scottish people are difficult... and I met one guy from Glasgow I could only understand "Jerry Springer" when he talked.. only talked for two minutes as my train was about to take off... but as they say, we are two contries separated by the same language..


Posted by: Texas Proud

Just as and FYI.... the murder rate (not just guns) is only 4 times higher in the US than England and Wales per Wiki... not as big of difference as some might think...

"Recent statistics show that there were 859 homicides in England and Wales in one year (April 2004- March 2005, [4]). This is low compared to the United States with 16,137 murders in 2004 [5], however these are numbers which do not take different population sizes into account: a better perspective can be gained by comparing murders per year to population (1.6 murders for every hundred thousand people in England and Wales, 5.5 in the USA..."


Posted by: deccie

Texas, I don't see what your getting at... "Only" 4 times the number?
Surely that is a statistically significant deviation.


Posted by: vic2012

Now lads,

I'm very proud to be British, but for many years I have had to watch football hooligans and now drunk sex tourists, in Ibiza and the Greek islands, giving Britiain an undeserved bad reputation.

The same applies for American tourists. A few loud mouths spouting off about, how quaint everything is, at the tops of their voices, tar the vast majority, who enjoy themselves quietly.

Every country has its elements, whom the majority abhor.

And, in saying that the majority of cruisers are American, is simply that, there are more of them, so they get noticed and spoken about more. As a proportion to population, they probably dont fare any worse than Britain, Italy, Germany etc.

So, as we are splitting hairs here, over small minorities, lets put this one to bed.

p.s. I'm actually half Polish.


Posted by: Texas Proud

Quote:
Originally Posted by deccie
Texas, I don't see what your getting at... "Only" 4 times the number?
Surely that is a statistically significant deviation.


Very much so... a big difference by a factor... but the original post was "I dont know if it's still true but there used to be more deaths by shooting in any one major US city each night than in the UK in a year." This states that at one time it was true, but maybe not anymore... I am just showing that you are not 364 times safer in the UK than the US... I am also showing that you can be just as dead without being shot than with being shot... dead is dead no matter how...

But, the statement was never true.. one of those tales people say for whatever reason...


Posted by: waiting123

This has become interestingly off subject. We went from American men and sex to homicide rates in the US and the world (thanks for the stats TP).

OK... Lets agree we have more murders in the US than most European countries.

I have to agree with Vic, lets put this to bed.

But, back on subject, it is always the minority causing these issues and problems. Same as when I go to LA, some people have a very bad impression of foreign tourists, saying they are here for sex, or to take advantage of this or that...blah blah blah.... It is no different that Americans in other countries.


Posted by: Cheburashka

Quote:
Originally Posted by GentleGiant
What do you see ?? fcuking covered in chewing gum; left by whom ???? There are bins everywhere for fcuks sake !!!


Yep, I'm sure that all the gum left everywhere in Moscow is the fault of those damn Americans. It's a real problem trying to see Lenin's tomb with all the piles of American gum everywhere. Could this be the next step in the cold war with us trying to stick gum all over the Russian cities?

I'm surprised you didn't mention all the poop left by American pigeons in Trafalgar Square. Bloody Hell!

And as far as foreign sex tourists go, head to Las Vegas some time. It's not all "yanks" visiting the brothels in Nevada.


Posted by: GentleGiant

If i'da known that poop waz yank poop I wooda shot the lot :-)


Posted by: Texas Proud

Quote:
Originally Posted by GentleGiant
If i'da known that poop waz yank poop I wooda shot the lot :-)







Posted by: GentleGiant

The smiley to the right is nearest in accuracy, although it lacks the silencer fitted to my old HW80.
Sadly I got rid of it after finding myself pointing it at a gang of drunken teenagers who had been messing with my car.
Texas, I dont have anything against the average yank, I have worked with a few, although they do tend to think they know best. I did have one couple who kept sending thier daughter to school in summer dresses deep into the UK winter despite warnings it was too cold.
The poor girl was turning blue and went down with pnemonia (spelling??) soon after; they didnt learn though and on the next occaision they were posted to the UK they did exactly the same with their younger daughter, and guess what ???
It's not even as if they were Californians!!


Posted by: sidney

Quote:
The same applies for American tourists. A few loud mouths spouting off about, how quaint everything is, at the tops of their voices, tar the vast majority, who enjoy themselves quietly.

For anyone that has been to russia it can be a substantial increase in most prices. It is best to keep quiet and not let everyone know you are a tourist. So these loud mouthed american are only hurting themselves financially as well as other ways.
Sid


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by sidney
For anyone that has been to russia it can be a substantial increase in most prices. It is best to keep quiet and not let everyone know you are a tourist. So these loud mouthed american are only hurting themselves financially as well as other ways.
Sid


All Americans aren't loud mouths. I kept my mouth shut all the time while my GF bartered with cabbies and vendors. All Americans don't go to Russia expecting sex either, as a few other threads have stated. Let's not generalize to much here guys. I'm sure other nationalities have their "loud mouths".


Posted by: ham

Quote:
And, whilst she is still wearing the rose coloured specs, and the guy turns up on her doorstep with his trousers round his ankles. Does she really want to lose him? Hard choice (so to speak).


hmm
You know most women correspond with many men at once ( men do so, too).
So once Leroy's gone, Barney, Wong & Pedro are still around.
Why would she feel compelled to give Leroy his "reward"?

UNLESS

She's playing her game & thinks Leroy ranks much higher...hmm...and i bet it isn't because he has precious records of Calypso (?) performer "The Charmer" & his hit "belly to belly".
That goes right over her head.
Women are less naive than let believe.


Posted by: moontucker

From what I hear from friends from other countries. That Americans are sexual pigs and thats all we think of.. Only thing I can think of is that we Americans speak out and we are open to talk about things.. I think its the nature of Freedom we have here in the states.. In general any man thinks about sex no matter what country they are from.


Posted by: ira156

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
All Americans aren't loud mouths. I kept my mouth shut all the time while my GF bartered with cabbies and vendors. All Americans don't go to Russia expecting sex either, as a few other threads have stated. Let's not generalize to much here guys. I'm sure other nationalities have their "loud mouths".

Hey GTR, Im sure all americans arent loudmouths, but sorry to say i just got back from Russia and the only rude people i came across were US tourists. But i did come across a couple of yanks on buisness and they were really good. The whole sex thing is a bunch of cr@p. It happens everywhere and a sleezbag is a sleezbag no matter what country they are from. All i can say is a few more of you Yanks from RMP should get over there and lift the US image im sure you would do a good job.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by ira156
Hey GTR, Im sure all americans arent loudmouths, but sorry to say i just got back from Russia and the only rude people i came across were US tourists. But i did come across a couple of yanks on buisness and they were really good. The whole sex thing is a bunch of cr@p. It happens everywhere and a sleezbag is a sleezbag no matter what country they are from. All i can say is a few more of you Yanks from RMP should get over there and lift the US image im sure you would do a good job.


I'd settle for a change in attitude on this forum. I don't think I'm ready to take on a country ... and it would be a BIG country. You're my first "convert". Actually, I don't think any Aussies bad mouthed us Yanks.


Posted by: Cheburashka

Generally it's true. I'm a yank and we yanks are horrible tourists. We are generally loud, bossy, impatient, demanding, and just plain stupid. I know that most men here don't fit that description!!! And I definitely try to be honorable and act as a humble guest in their country. I'm lucky in the fact that most of my travel has ministry implications attached to it. But anyone who has done lots of international travel will tell you they are embarrassed more than they are impressed with their fellow countrymen.

Sorry Guys!


Posted by: bingism

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cheburashka
Generally it's true. I'm a yank and we yanks are horrible tourists. We are generally loud, bossy, impatient, demanding, and just plain stupid. I know that most men here don't fit that description!!! And I definitely try to be honorable and act as a humble guest in their country. I'm lucky in the fact that most of my travel has ministry implications attached to it. But anyone who has done lots of international travel will tell you they are embarrassed more than they are impressed with their fellow countrymen.

Sorry Guys!

I think this is true for most nations. If you went to some of the tourist resorts in Spain, you'd see thoroughly obnoxious sunburnt Brits swilling beer whilst eating an english breakfast, walking around in England football strips leering and jeering at girls (and the other way round). Then, after 15-pints of weak beer and a round of free apple shooters, they start fighting and insulting the country that they're in.

On the subject of American tourists, I have seen my share of horrors. I remember once waiting for a flight from Heathrow to O'Hare and got "talked at" by a middle-aged American woman (you all know the sort - bouffant hair, garishly designer clothes, jewellery enough to sink a medium sized freighter and a rather brow-beaten husband / walking wallet). Anyway, I tried to look interested and then the killer question:

"Gee, I gotta know.... why do all you British folk call places in England after places in America?"

[Bing was now trying to stifle the giggles and the husband looked horrified]

"You know, like, well, York after New York and well, New Jersey"

[this was followed by 10-minutes of how they'd visited Jersey]

Anyway, you get the drift... we have 'em in all countries and unfortunately, they're the ones that create the stereotypes because they're the ones thath people notice!

Sad but true...


Posted by: Texas Proud

Quote:
Originally Posted by moontucker
From what I hear from friends from other countries. That Americans are sexual pigs and thats all we think of.. Only thing I can think of is that we Americans speak out and we are open to talk about things.. I think its the nature of Freedom we have here in the states.. In general any man thinks about sex no matter what country they are from.



Hmmm... from what I have heard from a NZ woman that has been a few places.. the Italians were the worst... she said all of them were trying to shag her.. yelling rude comments when walking down the street...

And yes, the Brits football fans.. they are infamous all over the world... how many Brits are banned from going to games??? How many fights have they started??? How many people injured or even killed!!! It does not make the Brits look like the upper class... but, like others have said... that is the very small minority... most all the people I met in the UK were friendly or just did not bother you.. well, there were the many drunks that would be making a fool of themselves on the tube late at night.. or you could hear them singing when trying to go to sleep.... but I digress...

My point... every country has their 'bad' people... usually a small percentage.. and some like the lady asking about the names from the UK.... well, it is a lack of knowledge.. not that she was trying to be rude.. she just doesn't know any better..


Posted by: deccie

Quote:
Originally Posted by Texas Proud
well, it is a lack of knowledge.. not that she was trying to be rude.. she just doesn't know any better..


Texas, ignorance like that is not just ignorance of history, it's ignorance of not even bothering to analyze your own question.... it IS rude because there is a presumption behind it.
If she had a more balanced view of America the question would most likely never have arisen.


Posted by: Texas Proud

Quote:
Originally Posted by deccie
Texas, ignorance like that is not just ignorance of history, it's ignorance of not even bothering to analyze your own question.... it IS rude because there is a presumption behind it.
If she had a more balanced view of America the question would most likely never have arisen.



You must not know how much is taught of the world over here.. add to that how much some of the people even learn if it is taught...

I will tell you that there are some people I met in NY whose world goes no further than the subway system... have never been anywhere else... have never driven a car... they decide to take a foreign vacation... London is the most likely place as it is a very short jump and only a few hundred dollars...

I still stand by my statement... so we can agree to disagree...


Posted by: deccie

They do still teach a little about the American War of independance don't they? Don't you also have a holiday celebrating it?

1+1=???


Posted by: Spakoyna

I think most travelors from any country are a poor example of the general population, most especially the majority of those who go wife hunting, to socials,sex torists, etc.

Most are reasonably successful and the types with their noses high in the air! They are better than everyone around them.

When I went on the Europpean Connections tour I found myself having to bite my toungue around more than 1/2 the guys on the tour. I don't think I had ever seen so many 10 cent millionaires gathered in 1 place....each out to prove he was richer and better than the other!

I would have loved to seen these braggers balance sheets! I may be a rich man or a poor man...but I certainly don't want anyone to know either way!


Posted by: ham

this kind of tourists are mostly (lower) middle class ( which includes those on a "expensive" tour, the fortnight millionaires ) budget travellers. Agencies must re-create a time-suspended soap bubble for them, so they can gather together and still feel at home.
They must have their domestic TV channels, their domestic breakfast style; they can speak only their domestic language. So they often end up blowing their life savings for an experience with significant overlap with their everyday's life.
The opposite is not some "Borneo jungle survival rally", of course, but there is a limit to how much you can expect from them.


Posted by: bingism

I once heard an interesting stat from an American who wanted to explain why some people in the US are how they are, but I don't know how true it is or how well I've remembered it:

80% of Americans will never leave the county
70% will never get round to getting a passport
30% will never leave the state in which they were born
10% will never leave the town/city in which they were born

As I say, I have no idea how true this is, but if it is true, it goes a long way to explaining a few things. Given that travelling to another state is as good as travelling to another country (i.e. it's pretty much the same from New York - California than it is from New York to London) I'm not surprised! Plus, when you've got such a wide range of places to see at home, often there's no real reason to go elsewhere.

Comments / corrections welcome


Posted by: Spakoyna

Quote:
Originally Posted by bingism
I once heard an interesting stat from an American who wanted to explain why some people in the US are how they are, but I don't know how true it is or how well I've remembered it:

80% of Americans will never leave the county
70% will never get round to getting a passport
30% will never leave the state in which they were born
10% will never leave the town/city in which they were born

As I say, I have no idea how true this is, but if it is true, it goes a long way to explaining a few things. Given that travelling to another state is as good as travelling to another country (i.e. it's pretty much the same from New York - California than it is from New York to London) I'm not surprised! Plus, when you've got such a wide range of places to see at home, often there's no real reason to go elsewhere.

Comments / corrections welcome



California is a different country! They are quite different from the rest of the states. Actually there are differences in all the states but California is way out there. If you think America is a free country try driving a truck...Many of the truck police are like the Gastapo!


Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:
Originally Posted by bingism

On the subject of American tourists, I have seen my share of horrors. I remember once waiting for a flight from Heathrow to O'Hare and got "talked at" by a middle-aged American woman (you all know the sort - bouffant hair, garishly designer clothes, jewellery enough to sink a medium sized freighter and a rather brow-beaten husband / walking wallet). Anyway, I tried to look interested and then the killer question:

"Gee, I gotta know.... why do all you British folk call places in England after places in America?"

[Bing was now trying to stifle the giggles and the husband looked horrified]

"You know, like, well, York after New York and well, New Jersey"

[this was followed by 10-minutes of how they'd visited Jersey]


LOL Great Post Bing!!! Now that brings up a question for me. Do other countries have the "air head" and "dumb blonde" women?


Posted by: Chrismc

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
LOL Great Post Bing!!! Now that brings up a question for me. Do other countries have the "air head" and "dumb blonde" women?


Yes you don't have the monopoly on those GTR there are plenty here too!! But don't tar them all with the same brush, I know at least one or two really intelligent blonde women also


Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by Chrismc
Yes you don't have the monopoly on those GTR there are plenty here too!! But don't tar them all with the same brush, I know at least one or two really intelligent blonde women also


Oh I didn't mean all blondes were air heads. My girl is a blonde and she's far from dumb. I know another blonde RW too and she is far from being an air head!!!

How are things going with you Chris?


Posted by: ira156

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna
I think most travelors from any country are a poor example of the general population, most especially the majority of those who go wife hunting, to socials,sex torists, etc.

Most are reasonably successful and the types with their noses high in the air! They are better than everyone around them.

When I went on the Europpean Connections tour I found myself having to bite my toungue around more than 1/2 the guys on the tour. I don't think I had ever seen so many 10 cent millionaires gathered in 1 place....each out to prove he was richer and better than the other!

I would have loved to seen these braggers balance sheets! I may be a rich man or a poor man...but I certainly don't want anyone to know either way!

I Tend to agree and dissagree Spakonya. From reading most of the guys on here that make the effort to go and see there RW over there tend to make an effort to learn about the counrty and its customs before they go. Of course this doesnt apply to the sex tourists of any nation. I went on a bus tour in moscow and came across an obnoxios American. he was most p!ssed off that the Russian people wernt walking around smiling at him. I tried to explian that it wasnt there way to do this...to which he answered "well they smile when you say US DOLLAR". Most US tourists i have met in OZ are quiet different, they are quiet respectful and polite. I think this is because we dont need their money and if they are to take this attitude over here they would be quickly told to f#@k off back to where they came from. Dont get me wrong Australia has more than its share of sleezebags that do the thai tours. But again most of the guys on this forum ( from all counrties) who take the time and effort to go to FSU do their homework first and make an effort to learn about the counrty in which they are guests.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by ira156
I Tend to agree and dissagree Spakonya. From reading most of the guys on here that make the effort to go and see there RW over there tend to make an effort to learn about the counrty and its customs before they go. Of course this doesnt apply to the sex tourists of any nation. I went on a bus tour in moscow and came across an obnoxios American. he was most p!ssed off that the Russian people wernt walking around smiling at him. I tried to explian that it wasnt there way to do this...to which he answered "well they smile when you say US DOLLAR". Most US tourists i have met in OZ are quiet different, they are quiet respectful and polite. I think this is because we dont need their money and if they are to take this attitude over here they would be quickly told to f#@k off back to where they came from. Dont get me wrong Australia has more than its share of sleezebags that do the thai tours. But again most of the guys on this forum ( from all counrties) who take the time and effort to go to FSU do their homework first and make an effort to learn about the counrty in which they are guests.


Thanks Ira. Glad to see you have an open mind about this. I also learned a few Russian words and phrases before going over and a little about the culture. My GF said I speak Russian with very little accent.


Posted by: ira156

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Originally Posted by GoingToRussia
Thanks Ira. Glad to see you have an open mind about this. I also learned a few Russian words and phrases before going over and a little about the culture. My GF said I speak Russian with very little accent.

Cheers GTR, Yeah i got the same from Russian strangers i met, i got a few laughs too. But i think i got lots of brownie pionts just because i was making an effort. I found it really strange when i met 2 yanks on buisness ( nice guys ) but they didnt even know how to say please or thank you. This was in Volograd and they speak very little english there compared to the big cities. It was amazing how much better they felt after i taught them these few simple words. I was never worried about Russian people considering me stupid, i just didnt want to be seen as rude. And luckily i succeeded.


Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by ira156
Cheers GTR, Yeah i got the same from Russian strangers i met, i got a few laughs too. But i think i got lots of brownie pionts just because i was making an effort. I found it really strange when i met 2 yanks on buisness ( nice guys ) but they didnt even know how to say please or thank you. This was in Volograd and they speak very little english there compared to the big cities. It was amazing how much better they felt after i taught them these few simple words. I was never worried about Russian people considering me stupid, i just didnt want to be seen as rude. And luckily i succeeded.


I loved the Russian people and found them very personable. I was sitting next to an older Russian man on a plane ride from Moscow. He started talking to me but I coundn't keep up with the conversation. My GF stepped and and told him I was American, he was surprised.


Posted by: clark

I don't know how I missed this thread after surfing this site for the last couple of months. Before it had gotten way off topic and it was excellent fodder and my favorite subject and I do want to offer my thoughts on topic.

I have not yet traveled to Russia but plans have been made to do so. With the previous posts on topic in mind, why is "if" or "when" sex takes place such an issue? Why is it somehow different because it is a Russian woman? The act of making love is a wonderful experience between two people who care for each other. It isn't somehow cheapened because it may happen on the first night of the first visit and it isn't somehow all the more special because they waited 5 visits or longer.

If my visit works out as I hope it does and my RW and I find our feelings are genuine after meeting. I for one am going to be thinking about making love to her the minute I lay eyes on her. Just as I always have for any woman that I have been romantically involved. No I am not pushy or forceful but there will be no beating around the bush (pun somewhat intended) and my feelings will be known. I would not expect her to do anything she was uncomfortable with and I would be willing to wait. For how long I'll wait, not even I know. I would hope she shared the same feelings as on a sexual relationship as I.

I'm no sex tourist as it has been defined. Sex isn't my motivation. That is hopefully meeting my future life partner. Sex is an integral part of the relationship. It too requires compatibility between partners for a relationship to flourish. I find some of the opinions here draconian where a healthy sexual relationship is involved. Maybe you guys are older and me I don't know and that is making a difference in our opinions. But for me, while not expecting sex on the first visit, I'll certainly be wanting it. If she decides to follow through or wait she'll be no more or less the woman. But I have this same outlook on local woman I have been involved as well.


Posted by: ira156

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Originally Posted by clark
I don't know how I missed this thread after surfing this site for the last couple of months. Before it had gotten way off topic and it was excellent fodder and my favorite subject and I do want to offer my thoughts on topic.

I have not yet traveled to Russia but plans have been made to do so. With the previous posts on topic in mind, why is "if" or "when" sex takes place such an issue? Why is it somehow different because it is a Russian woman? The act of making love is a wonderful experience between two people who care for each other. It isn't somehow cheapened because it may happen on the first night of the first visit and it isn't somehow all the more special because they waited 5 visits or longer.

If my visit works out as I hope it does and my RW and I find our feelings are genuine after meeting. I for one am going to be thinking about making love to her the minute I lay eyes on her. Just as I always have for any woman that I have been romantically involved. No I am not pushy or forceful but there will be no beating around the bush (pun somewhat intended) and my feelings will be known. I would not expect her to do anything she was uncomfortable with and I would be willing to wait. For how long I'll wait, not even I know. I would hope she shared the same feelings as on a sexual relationship as I.

I'm no sex tourist as it has been defined. Sex isn't my motivation. That is hopefully meeting my future life partner. Sex is an integral part of the relationship. It too requires compatibility between partners for a relationship to flourish. I find some of the opinions here draconian where a healthy sexual relationship is involved. Maybe you guys are older and me I don't know and that is making a difference in our opinions. But for me, while not expecting sex on the first visit, I'll certainly be wanting it. If she decides to follow through or wait she'll be no more or less the woman. But I have this same outlook on local woman I have been involved as well.

Hey Clark, there is one peice of advice i will give...RESPECT!!! WOuld you expect sex on a blind date...it is the first time you will meet her. Believe me as the Pantene ad says " it wont happen over night ...but it will happen" And believe me when i does


Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by clark
I don't know how I missed this thread after surfing this site for the last couple of months. Before it had gotten way off topic and it was excellent fodder and my favorite subject and I do want to offer my thoughts on topic.

I have not yet traveled to Russia but plans have been made to do so. With the previous posts on topic in mind, why is "if" or "when" sex takes place such an issue? Why is it somehow different because it is a Russian woman? The act of making love is a wonderful experience between two people who care for each other. It isn't somehow cheapened because it may happen on the first night of the first visit and it isn't somehow all the more special because they waited 5 visits or longer.

If my visit works out as I hope it does and my RW and I find our feelings are genuine after meeting. I for one am going to be thinking about making love to her the minute I lay eyes on her. Just as I always have for any woman that I have been romantically involved. No I am not pushy or forceful but there will be no beating around the bush (pun somewhat intended) and my feelings will be known. I would not expect her to do anything she was uncomfortable with and I would be willing to wait. For how long I'll wait, not even I know. I would hope she shared the same feelings as on a sexual relationship as I.

I'm no sex tourist as it has been defined. Sex isn't my motivation. That is hopefully meeting my future life partner. Sex is an integral part of the relationship. It too requires compatibility between partners for a relationship to flourish. I find some of the opinions here draconian where a healthy sexual relationship is involved. Maybe you guys are older and me I don't know and that is making a difference in our opinions. But for me, while not expecting sex on the first visit, I'll certainly be wanting it. If she decides to follow through or wait she'll be no more or less the woman. But I have this same outlook on local woman I have been involved as well.


Well you sound like me when I first started visiting this website. I've learned a lot from this site and from personnal experience.

Sex is a subject in Russia that is generally not discussed in writing. Sex is usually only spoken about when 2 people are face to face. This is the difference for Russians versus Americans and maybe other cultures. If you write a question about sex, your question will probably be ignored or she will politely tell you she doesn't want to discuss your question.

Let her work her Russian charm on you and you will know if she wants sex. Do not misunderstand, RW are very sexual beings ... perhaps more then American women. Please take it slow and she will let you know her feelings for you. Then you can proceed or back down from attempting sex.

Good luck!


Posted by: clark

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Originally Posted by ira156
Hey Clark, there is one peice of advice i will give...RESPECT!!! WOuld you expect sex on a blind date...it is the first time you will meet her. Believe me as the Pantene ad says " it wont happen over night ...but it will happen" And believe me when i does

Ira, I completely agree. I am still a gentleman first Disrespecting isn't an option regardless of the out come of my visit. I just find some of these opinions earlier in the thread really outdated and extremely judgemental. Perhaps I am just more open on the subject of sex. If the moment is right ....then it's right....regardless of the timing or duration of the relationship. There is a time and place for everything and sex included. To frame it as the indentifyer for which to judge the lady or relationship would be a mistake IMHO of course.


GoingToRussia....I can agree with you also. I have enjoyed this site immensely and learned much from the contents. But I can't fathom a major difference sexually in women of different cultures. Some differences I am sure, but you get those with different women of the same culture too Women are women. I haven't had any discussions of a sexual nature with my RW as it hasn't been appropriate, but there have been subtle hints from both sides. But if I were corresponding with an American women I don't believe it would have been any different. Make sense? I am of the opinion that sex is an international language and as much as one might want to/like to say that "russian woman are this way" or "american women are this way" that would be stereo typing in the worst way and just plain false and misleading. Don't drink the kool-aid. By the way I have read many of your posts. Congrats on your marriage and thanks for your imput, it's been very helpful


Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by clark
GoingToRussia....I can agree with you also. I have enjoyed this site immensely and learned much from the contents. But I can't fathom a major difference sexually in women of different cultures. Some differences I am sure, but you get those with different women of the same culture too


It is not so much a difference but how you approach the subject.

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Originally Posted by clark
Women are women. I haven't had any discussions of a sexual nature with my RW as it hasn't been appropriate, but there have been subtle hints from both sides. But if I were corresponding with an American women I don't believe it would have been any different. Make sense?


Unless you know Russian as a second language, you may be misinterpreting a RWs words. RW often use similar but wrong words. They say worry when the mean think. Other words like heat and tenderness may be confussed for sexual words but the RW might mean something else.

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Originally Posted by clark
I am of the opinion that sex is an international language and as much as one might want to/like to say that "russian woman are this way" or "american women are this way" that would be stereo typing in the worst way and just plain false and misleading. Don't drink the kool-aid.


I used the words "generally" and "usually". Which means not all or most. If you date RW 30 and younger, MOST will be more open to sexual advances. Yes everyone is an individual and therefore have different beliefs and opinions. I try very hard not to stereotype anyone.

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Originally Posted by clark
By the way I have read many of your posts. Congrats on your marriage and thanks for your imput, it's been very helpful


Thanks and I wish you good luck, safe flights, and happy landings.


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