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Posted by: Muzaneet

I just returned from Odessa in July. I met someone and asked her to marry me. Upon returning home I found out my fiancee was in America in Feb. on a fiancee visa. She confessed that she came to America after corresponding with an American for about a year. After her arrival, the man never showed up at the airport to meet her( JFK ). She flew to Minneapolis to meet him and again he was not there. She took a taxi to his house and eventually he was not interested inmarrying her. She returned home after 2 1/2 mo. I guess my question is, Am I being Naive for giving her the benefit of the doubt since the guy treated her so poorly. And will that hurt my chances of getting her a visa for her since this will be her 2nd one this year? HELP!!!!!!!!!!! Just a quick note: This woman never soaked me for money and was a perfect lady. She is very quiet and Loving.

Posted by: Pin Boy

welcome and good luck,

you don't really give much to go on. maybe some info will help: how long do you know her? how much time did you spend together? is there any way to verify her story or provide more details? does she have children and if so did her child/children accompany her when she came to america?

i'm sure this thread will receive much discussion and advice if you provide more info.

pin boy

Posted by: Muzaneet

Hey Pinboy,
I went on an Anastasia tour and met her on the 1st day. We spent 8 days together. Her English is not good but we did not use an interpeter most of the time. We were always able to communicate even though there was a language barrier. At the end of the trip I used an interpeter that I trusted for a serious conversation. The woman I met did not want to reveal her situation since it probably would of ruined the week. I was angry at first, but I am glad she did not tell me until I returned home. All I can say now is, this woman could of tried to use me and try to get a good time out of me. She never asked for anything. I know I could write alot more on this subject, but I will answer the questions when they come in. I know this is a little complicated, But I went with my gut instinct.

Posted by: AkMike

First of all, Welcome to the forum!
Second , You fell in love and proposed to her after only being with her for 8 days????
Would you have done that with an AW you just met?

Posted by: skinsfan

welcome....i visited my now Russian wife four times.....each time we were able to learn more from each other....i know that for some it is not possible to go so often.....i will give you a little of my unsolicited insight..... my wife has been here in the USA for almost 10 months....we still are learning from each other..... my wife speaks English very well..not fluently..but very well. my wife and i communicate easily and speak openly about everything. i know for certain that if my wife didn't love me, she would prefer to live in Russia...all of her friends and family are there, Russian life is quite different than American life....simple things like food, clothes, obtaining jobs...all is different...

i guess what i am saying is this.....communication is so important.....who knows what situation occured when your girl was last in the USA....the immigration process is long and costly....the emotional price is quite high...just read articles on visa journey.com....it gives you an overview.....

i am not trying to discourage you...i am simply trying to share my thoughts, and maybe try and advise you to be careful, maybe slow down, and if possible visit her more .....

i am so happy with my wife, and my wish is that all are as happy as i am. after 10 months, i see how she has assimilated into American culture...i don't know if it would have gone so well without communication......it is just my thoughts, and everyone is different...maybe i am not as patient as others...but i hope my rambling was of some help....good luck !!

Posted by: GREGK

How did you find out about the previous K-1 visa? Not to be critical but why would she stay for 2 1/2 months if the guy stood her up at two airports? At this point I'm not sure you have the whole story about what happened. Better take this thing slowly.

Posted by: waiting123

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Originally Posted by GREGK

How did you find out about the previous K-1 visa? Not to be critical but why would she stay for 2 1/2 months if the guy stood her up at two airports? At this point I'm not sure you have the whole story about what happened. Better take this thing slowly.

I agree, take it slow....something soes not sound quit right, but I can not put my finger on it....

Posted by: prince_alfie

Don't be too cautious... that's self-defeating... having trust is most important here.

Posted by: Pin Boy

as they say in business, trust but verify

Posted by: Muzaneet

Hey Skins fan !
Thanks for the feedback. In hindsight I see where I should have slowed down before proceeding with the k-1 visa. But that is in the past. Right now all I can do is communcate with her everday, ( which I do now ) and go with what I think is right. I know alot of people would say I moved to fast on this situation and if I had to do it again I would take more time. I will try to convey what my mindset is. Right now I really am lucky to be alive. I had 2 instances in my life where my life was almost eliminated. From 9/11 to a drug crazed relative. So since then, I look at my life in a different way. When I met Irina in Odessa, I had no intention of getting engaged. I merely went because of curiosity. The whole time I spent with her,I kept waiting for something to go wrong, but nothing went wrong. I could of went home and forgot about her but I did not want this woman to be out of my life, so it was my decision alone to ask her to marry me. And she was suprised, but accepted. I went to meet her family and they welcomed me. After I returned home I contacted an Immigration attorney and started the visa process. I e-mail and call Irina everyday. When I have a long email to write, I have a friend named Olga who interpets my letters. By the way, Ogla was the one who found out about her previous visa. Olga took it upon herself to personally do her version of a backround check of Irina for my protection. There is so much more I can write on this,and I would like to hear your reply and I will respond asap. Thanks for writing Mr. skins fan.

Posted by: waiting123

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Originally Posted by Muzaneet

Hey Skins fan !
Thanks for the feedback. In hindsight I see where I should have slowed down before proceeding with the k-1 visa. But that is in the past. Right now all I can do is communcate with her everday, ( which I do now ) and go with what I think is right. I know alot of people would say I moved to fast on this situation and if I had to do it again I would take more time. I will try to convey what my mindset is. Right now I really am lucky to be alive. I had 2 instances in my life where my life was almost eliminated. From 9/11 to a drug crazed relative. So since then, I look at my life in a different way. When I met Irina in Odessa, I had no intention of getting engaged. I merely went because of curiosity. The whole time I spent with her,I kept waiting for something to go wrong, but nothing went wrong. I could of went home and forgot about her but I did not want this woman to be out of my life, so it was my decision alone to ask her to marry me. And she was suprised, but accepted. I went to meet her family and they welcomed me. After I returned home I contacted an Immigration attorney and started the visa process. I e-mail and call Irina everyday. When I have a long email to write, I have a friend named Olga who interpets my letters. By the way, Ogla was the one who found out about her previous visa. Olga took it upon herself to personally do her version of a backround check of Irina for my protection. There is so much more I can write on this,and I would like to hear your reply and I will respond asap. Thanks for writing Mr. skins fan.

The most important thing is that you are happy. When I said take it slow, I in no way meant to not proceed. There is no golden standard on how long you should know a person before getting married.

If you are happy, and you two are communicating daily, then you will be able to learn more about her and her circumstances.

I am just in a minor state of confusion about the ex fiance standing her up at the airport.. and then her staying in the US for 2 1/2 months... did she stay with him and it did not work out, if this is the case.. no problem I understand...but 2 1/2 months?? the relationship just did not work. Pretty low though of a man to bring his fiancee to the US and then stand her up...at the airport no less (do you have his address

)

I wish you happiness and prosperity in your relationship. You will find a lot of good information on this website from people who have gone through the process for a K1 and people who have completed the process. I myself, married in Russia and I am waiting for my wife to join me.

If you have any questions or need assistance, feel free to ask the group, we are all good listeners.

Posted by: Muzaneet

Hey Greg K,
Thanks for your feedback and I hope I answer your questions. I have a friend from Moscow named Olga and she took it upon herself to make sure this woman was for real. just through basic conversation she found out that Irina was previously in the USA on a k-1 visa. As far as why she spent so much time here even when she knew she was being treated poorly, I do not have an answer for that. BUT, I think that if we can get some RW to give their opinion I think things might become more clear. My only guess would be that she went to Minneapolis because she felt that there might have been some communication mixup or maybe she didn't have the money to return home. It is apparent that both of us would of gone home if someone failed to show up at JFK airport. But we don't know what goes through a RW mind. That's why I was hoping for a RW to respond to this question. I will ask Pin boy if he could get the ladies involved.
Thanks for responding

Posted by: Muzaneet

Pin Boy,
Is there any way we can get any RW to respond to this? We have heard from the men, but how about some woman's opinions?

Posted by: Muzaneet

Prince_Alfie,
Thanks for your words of wisdom. It was nice to hear something positive.

Posted by: Muzaneet

waiting123
Thanks for your letter. According to Irina, She stayed with the guy and it didn't work out ( obviously ). I guess it is hard to have to go back to Ukraine after you have been here. It's just a guess on my part. You leave the Ukraine behind where there is no opportunity for a better life and you hope things work out in the USA. We all know she was not happy here with this man, so it must be very disappointing to go back home. Back to a whole lot of nothing. I hope people try to put themselves in her shoe's before they respond. Thanks for your kind letter.

Posted by: bingism

Hi.

I do not often post in such threads, but I will on this occasion. My advice will be honest and blunt and based on a personal experience which cost me everything and nearly my sanity!

Here's my tuppence worth - you should think about telling your new fiancee that it's not a good idea to try for two fiancee visas in one year (and really it isn't). Let's think about it! The guy doesn't show up at the airport after forking out cash and a lot of effort to get the visa and flights and god knows what else... he must've gone to visit at least once otherwise the chances of a visa a slim to FA (I think). So after he decided to wash all this down the pan, she arrives, tracks him down and he suddenly changes his mind and says lets give it a go!! Hmmmm.... sound right to you?

Let's assume it's all OK.... We're in August (the eighth month of the year) and she has been corresponding with you since after the mess up with fiance number one, which gives you a maximum time of 5 months' correspondence and she has already decided she wants you and you her! I made the mistake of jumping in far too soon and that was after 5-months' correspondence plus 3 visits! I can promise you that you do not know this lady - it's impossible, gut instinct or not!! Just so you know, my foolhardiness cost me nearly $50000, my home and my job! And guess what, my ex is applying for her second fiancee visa as we speak!

I can promise you that I am not bitter and that I'm not trying to dampen your spirit. In hindsight, what would waiting an extra 6-12 months have cost me? Maybe another $5-10k in visits and stuff - certainly not as much as it actually did in real-life! So I would have missed her a bit more, but I may well have found out the truth first and never screwed up in such a major way!! It's is incredibly easy to get swept away with the "romance" of the situation (I mean this in a Mr D'arcy kind've way). You roll from initial contact to fisrt meeting, to first sexual encounter, to fiancee visa in a heartbeat and it's too simple to ignore the advice of others. You tell youself, "what do they know? I'm a clever chap, I know her, they don't!"

Please please remind yourself that the little fella is in control for the 1st six months of any relationship and that you need to wait this out to know that you are sure of what you are doing. If only I had listened to this type of advice before I lost a lot. If your fiancee is who you think she is, waiting another 6-12 will not be a problem. Unfortunately my gut-feel, from what you have told us is that you are presently making a serious error of judgement.

Just my opinion....

Martyn

PS. If you think "that'll never happen to me - I'm far more savvy than this Bing idiot", just remember, I thought that too!

Posted by: bingism

PPS.... If you haven't read my story, I (or one of the others) can dig it out for you

Posted by: AkMike

I will try to get my wife to respond to this when she gets back from school. She's also from Ukraine and might provide some insite to this.
I visited her 4 times before we were married including a 2 month stay just so we could get to know each other alot more. IMHO 8 days is too short to begin to know each others temperment and such especially with the language barrier. Been there done that! There is a very good possibility that she is a wonderful woman and you'll get along great for the rest of your lives. BUT you should know if her thoughts, wants and desires are your's also. That's what makes a great marriage. Tanya was thru a marriage once and I tried it twice before I found her. We have only been married for 1 3/4 years but I can honestly say we are the happiest that we have ever been. Both of us wish that we had found each other years earlier.
Recently I found out just how wonderful she really is too. She was my rock during the horrible aftermath of a fatal wreck. I was T-boned by a woman in a car and she died. Witnesses didn't stop or offer statements to police and I was looking at charges of 2nd degree murder as a result. Tanya didn't even have doubts about my innocence. That is the sign of a great wife.
The best women in the world aren't in Ukraine.... They're from Ukraine!!!

Posted by: Muzaneet

Martyn,
It was nice to see your reply. I do not think at all you are trying to dampen my spirits. You are (in your best and rational judgement ) trying to convey your experiences with a combination of looking at what I have written about what I am going through. To put it in a Nutshell: You do not want me to go through the same thing that happened to you. I wanted to post this question, because I think that it is important to get feedback wether it be good or bad. So I read what the other chaps have written and I soak it in like a sponge and then I will determine my future course of action. Martyn there is a lot of chapters in this short story and it is impossible to fit every detail in. I would like to speak to you in private about your experiences and I hope you will be kind enough to help me. Many thanks to you.

Posted by: bingism

Muzaneet
Here's the threads about my (summarised) story... it doesn't make good reading and I don't like to raise them again, but I'd like you to read it.
http://russianmeetingplace.com/foru...read.php?t=9039
Feel free to PM me if you want, but I feel my opinion about putting it off a few months is not going to change. I've learnt through my mistakes that a) you can't change someone, and b) you need to know a lot more than I did before jumping in.

I'll warn you now, that I was no angel in my situation, but please do not let that detract from the real meaning in what I'm saying

Posted by: Muzaneet

Hello AkMike !
Thanks for your feedback and experiences. I read it with great enthusiasm as well as the chap from England. I have one question, What is IMHO? Other than that I can tell you I asked Irina alot of questions and continue to do so on a daily basis. If you peeked at the other responses I have given you will see I have an RW friend who personally spoke to her to see if she is honest or being deceptive. What she told me is that from what Irina has told her, she seems to be serious in her intentions. But we all know that nothing is 100%. Irina was embarassed about what happened on her first visa and she did not want to tell me until I arrived back in America. She knew it would of ruined my time there. At first I was burning mad, but then I said to myself, " She did not commit some crime " And she did not ask for what happened to her. Maybe she was naive in her thinking, just as I might be now but we are all human beings who make mistakes. The only problem I see is to protect my assets if this turns out to be a sham. Mike I was married once before and it took me 4 + years to get a divorce. I think you can guess I am going to be careful in protecting what I have accomplished from scam artists. But from what I see in Irina,I am going to move ahead to be with her. With caution of course. Just to let you know I am planning a trip to Odessa in October. The first thing Irina said was "that it will help us get to know each other better". I think that remark speaks volumnes to an RW. I hope to see a response from you spouse and thanks for your thoughts.
Sincerely
Jeff

Posted by: AkMike

IMHO means "in my humble opinion".
My concerns are based on the apparent rush of your courtship. I think you should slow down and take your time discovering this lady. There are many tha I've seen that become '1 week wonders' and after the inital lust/love wears off then they have problems. I've seen this first hand too. I was astounded when the guy proposed after only a week visit and they married during the next visit. Use the search to read about it.
I do hope for the best for you and this lady. It can and does work but it takes LOT'S of patience and time for things to become real love. Take your time!

Posted by: metaforest

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Posted by: Muzaneet

Thanks AkMIKE and everyone else. Too bad I could not get any RW opinions

Posted by: waiting123

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Originally Posted by Muzaneet

Thanks AkMIKE and everyone else. Too bad I could not get any RW opinions

Hang in there... there are a few RW on the forum.... they will probably be able to offer some insight!

Posted by: AkMike

Patience Grasshopper, all will come in time.

Posted by: AkMike

By the way just for giggles,,, How old are the two of you???

Posted by: Texas Proud

I think you are getting a lot of advice... but I will ask a few questions...

Did she tell you about the K-1... it sounds like no in a few of your posts and yes in your last one..

Has she told you WHAT HAPPENED???? I would not let this one go under the carpet as 'history'.. she should make a complete dump of data... I say this as it would show how she thinks and if she is really looking for a relationship or a sugar daddy.. I am not saying that someone can not find the right person for them in a short time of breaking up, but most people take some time off of looking.. she did not it seems..

Do you know who he is ?? It would be interesting to hear HIS side.. he might say.. 'She came and started demanding X or Y'... and I did NOT leave her at the airport.. she ?????

Like others.. I think something just does not pass the smell test for me... but like I say sometimes after my opinion... do what YOU want as you have to live with it, not me..

Posted by: Pin Boy

it's good that texas proud tells it like it is and asks tough questions, especially in this case. very good point about the side of the story of the american man in minneapolis in this case.

pin boy

Posted by: Muzaneet

I'll be back in 15 to answer "cowboy" and any one else who has a question.

Posted by: Spakoyna

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Originally Posted by Muzaneet

waiting123
Thanks for your letter. According to Irina, She stayed with the guy and it didn't work out ( obviously ). I guess it is hard to have to go back to Ukraine after you have been here. It's just a guess on my part. You leave the Ukraine behind where there is no opportunity for a better life and you hope things work out in the USA. We all know she was not happy here with this man, so it must be very disappointing to go back home. Back to a whole lot of nothing. I hope people try to put themselves in her shoe's before they respond. Thanks for your kind letter.

I have read through this post up til now. Yes you are rushing but maybe it isn't a bad thing. I understand she was completely open and honest about her previous visa. That is a major plus and a surprise for me!

My wife had a guy do a visa for the USA 2 or 3 years before I met her. She accepted because of pressure from the agency and her friends, She was new,did not love him and decided the right thing. She did not go to the interview. Shocker to me was I didn't know until the packet from Moscow(for visa interview) came with the question about previous visa applications! YIKES! She told me ...we have a problem! How do I answer? I said you have to tell the truth. Between this and the next paragraph I believe it did cause us problems(with her visa). I knew a couple a guys who applied in the same time frame. We were hung up in homeland security for damn near 2 months compared to 2 weeks for the other guys.

She did the fiance thing with a wealthy Englishman. Traveled with him a couple a times, Went on the fiancee Visa...stayed and came back home. Later went on a tourist Visa...came back home. I found out about this on our 1st meeting when I needed her passport to check her in the hotel. Was a shock to me! She had to tell me because of all the visas etc. in her passport. I didn't have a clue about this before we met. She was envolved with the guy for over a year.

Although my wife was not open about this in the beginning... It evolved into a good thing! It showed me she was not interested in a relationship without love! The Brit had megatons more money than me! :-) The American guy was probably on par with me. I did not learn all until 1 year into our marriage!!!!

I thing you have a very open, honest lady! From my experience with my wife and other guys I can tell you....very few ladies will open up and tell you all! Spend as much time with her as you can....IE go back and spend time with her while you are waiting on the visa.

I spent almost 4 months(out of 8-9) with my wife before her visa was approved. I can honstly tell you I believe we would have been a bust if I hadn't. My wife is sensitive and believe you me...was very insecure and cautious when she arrived here by my side. The time we spent together made us very at ease with each other with no personality surprises. I am convinced my attitude(very serious from the beginning...no wooing letters), my spending the time I did with her, made our relationship work. It was the best investment I ever made! We are wonderful together more than 2 years after our marriage. We both have no doubts we will be in rocking chairs on the poarch together when the time comes!

The past is the past! She has been open and honest! My vote is she is definitly worth pursuing if she has your heart and you feel you have hers! Best Wishes!!!! :-)

Posted by: Muzaneet

Hey Cowboy !
I'm glad you kicked the ashes and got the flames going again! I must of typed the wrong way last post, She never told me personally at all about the K-1. I found out from my RW friend. When I returned to the America my RW friend who is always skeptical wanted her phone # so she could find out if this girl was for real or just playing me. It was through her coversation that the k-1 visa story came out. My RW friend told me that she could find out much more info. about her than an American man could. I think Lena has this service also? Finding out about the k-1 did not make me happy at all, but after the anger subsided I thought about why she would do this? My thoughts are that this woman was put in a situation that was not what she expected. She stuck it out for whatever reason and she saw nothing positive happen. She returned to her country who we all know is not the greatest place in the world. Why would she do that? And also not having the "other side of the story" either is not fair to the AM. So let me go back to my original question, Am I being naive for giving this woman the benefit of the doubt?
Thanks

Posted by: waiting123

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Originally Posted by Muzaneet

So let me go back to my original question, Am I being naive for giving this woman the benefit of the doubt?
Thanks

Life is all about taking chances and giving someone the benefit of the doubt.... That is the only way to succeed in this game we call life.

Just be cautious. There is nothing wrong with a person be engaged more than once... what is questionable is that she was engaged, came to the US for 2 1/2 months, returned after a break up and within a few months returned to the FSU and and is now engaged again....and all of this within a time frame of 8 months. That is what I find a little suspicious...

Just be careful! Life happens, we can only control certain things.... true love is is not one of them...You can pass it up, or you can go for it! But it can not be controled

Posted by: Spakoyna

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Originally Posted by Muzaneet

Hey Cowboy !
I'm glad you kicked the ashes and got the flames going again! I must of typed the wrong way last post, She never told me personally at all about the K-1. I found out from my RW friend. When I returned to the America my RW friend who is always skeptical wanted her phone # so she could find out if this girl was for real or just playing me. It was through her coversation that the k-1 visa story came out. My RW friend told me that she could find out much more info. about her than an American man could. I think Lena has this service also? Finding out about the k-1 did not make me happy at all, but after the anger subsided I thought about why she would do this? My thoughts are that this woman was put in a situation that was not what she expected. She stuck it out for whatever reason and she saw nothing positive happen. She returned to her country who we all know is not the greatest place in the world. Why would she do that? And also not having the "other side of the story" either is not fair to the AM. So let me go back to my original question, Am I being naive for giving this woman the benefit of the doubt?
Thanks

Have you asked her and talked to her about this???? My wife says maybe your friend is up to no good!!!! This is very common here. I guess as to my opinion...do you have eyes for this lady? Does she seem to be good for you? Life is a gamble....you need to make the call!!!! ;-)

Posted by: Muzaneet

Thanks SPAKONYA for the nice letter. The length of it show's it struck a chord with you. I understand where you and the general consensus is to spend more time with her. I agree as she does also. She is looking forward to our time together in Oct. It takes a real man to share a similar story and I personally thank you for it. The reponses I have recieved from the men were kind, professional and diplomatic, but I did feel a little like I was being backed into a corner. Your letter might of changed that. It reminded me of that movie "12 Angry Men ". I hope nobody is offended in that observation. I meant no offense to anyone who replied.
Thanks

Posted by: Muzaneet

Spakonya,
I have talked to her about it. If she didn't want to come clean I would of dropped her like a bad habit. This is what happened on my trip: I went on an Anastasia tour out of curiosity, to see how RW are. I was not out to grab the first woman that gave me the look of love and if I went home without at least meeting someone special It wouldn't bother me one bit. I met Irina at the first social after about 10 min. She was sitting by herself and I approached her. At first I thought she wasn't interested,but we kept talking. Eventually she opened up ( after about 1 hour ). I told her I was a serious guy looking for a serious girl. She said she was looking for the same. We used an interpeter throughout the conversation. I asked her out on a date and she agreed. I asked if we needed an interpeter and she said she felt comfortable without one. My plans were to just hang out with this beautiful woman ( 30 yr. old ) for the time there and have fun. Our time together was really special and I am not the type of guy who is a pushover or who gets all Ga-Ga over someone with great beauty. She was sweet, calm, soft spoken and a complete Knockout. I admit I used alot of restraint in my attraction to her. This woman never asked me for thing and I did not even buy her one present until the end of my tour. ( I bought her a dress that made her look like Daryl Hannah ) Everyday at breakfast I would hear from the other guys on the tour all the Horror stories they experienced and it was so much that I thought it would catch up with me. But it never did. It never happened. This woman was unbelievably nice and sincere. She had my back when it came to cab rides, checking the cafe bill for that "American Tax " that's added on sometimes and anything else that involved me purchasing something. I never experienced that before and I was so impressed I made the decision to bring her to the USA. For the men who married this type of person, you wouldn't trade her in for the world would you ?
Spakonya, I do have an eye for this lady and I do think she is good for me.
By the way I am a 45 Jersey boy with a Jersey attitude, but she made a gentleman, NOT a COMPLETE gentleman ! if you know what I mean.

Posted by: Texas Proud

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Originally Posted by Muzaneet

Hey Cowboy !

So let me go back to my original question, Am I being naive for giving this woman the benefit of the doubt?

Short and sweet... and no, I am not upset even though it will appear that way..

I am NOT a cowboy... never have never will...

Answer to your question: YES

Posted by: bingism

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Originally Posted by Spakoyna

Life is a gamble....you need to make the call!!!! ;-)

There's a difference between a good bet and long odds.... the pattern seems to be that the bigger the odds the greater the fall - I took the 500-1 shot and lost big... should've played the game a bit first to get the odds down...

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Originally Posted by Muzaneet

but I did feel a little like I was being backed into a corner. Your letter might of changed that. It reminded me of that movie "12 Angry Men ". I hope nobody is offended in that observation. I meant no offense to anyone who replied.
Thanks

Not being backed into a corner - it just so happens that a lot of people agree with each other... If there was a film called "12 Realistic Men Who've Been There, Done That and Picked up the Check" then you'd be closer to the mark.

Sounds like you're going to do this whatever anyone advises, just like I did, so I guess the only thing to do if wish you the very best of luck.

Posted by: JamesB

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Originally Posted by waiting123

I agree, take it slow....something soes not sound quit right, but I can not put my finger on it....

Hi ,i wrote to liuda my wife for almost a year.Then we met in Egypt and i proposed after four days.Sometimes things just happen!!!!!!!!

Posted by: GoingToRussia

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Originally Posted by Pin Boy

as they say in business, trust but verify

Actually that was a Ronald Regan quote directed to Russia before the fall of communism.

Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

I don't to believe any words you write in your thread, this smells like a untrue tale of something I do not understand........What color uniform was the soldier wearing on top of the famous steps near the statue of the old Odessa Mayor. Answer this or be forever called a fibber. Good luck to you but you or your lady or the woman from Moscow is full of beans!! Just my humble opinion and most opinons stink but I can't lie to you ok I think you are not truthful in your words.Have a great day!!

Posted by: Muzaneet

I wish I knew what you were talking about. The only steps I visited in Odessa were the Potemkin steps. That's where everyone usually meets there dates when they stay at the Hotel Odessa. I don't remember a soldier at the top of the steps. All I remember was trinkets being sold and people with animals who charged you to take a photo of them. And the most depressing thing of all was children begging for money. Also old woman begging for money. These women really broke my heart. You can call me a fibber, but I don't remember any soldier being there. Just people looking for money and women who would promise you prostitutes for the right price. If you think what I described is a lie, then you need to go back and see the sadness that exists there.

Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

I am sorry sir I just don't believe your trip story you have no details or anything in your writing just generalizations and you never mentioned drinking the vodka for petes sake.I believe you are in love with something.Thats the craziest thing about Odessa, you take your woman out to eat and they serve you two large shots of Ukrainian vodka.Of course she will not drink strong drink so you end up drinking two of them.The streets are not loaded with beggers ok.Where did you eat in downtown Odessa? No bull crap there are many people here who can see through anything.I am happy for you sir so do not worry I am just saying your whole story sounds fishy to me!!!!

Posted by: Pin Boy

S & S,

i see no reason to disbelieve this man. he has not concocted some wild tale. he was near the steps for a short period of time once. how do you expect him to remember every detail? not everyone drinks vodka all day long. on my 12 day trip to kiev earlier this month i only drank vodka one time. i was near those steps many times in odessa and i recall there being different monuments but i cannot specifically recall a soldier.

muzaneet, i'd ignore this person and stay on the topic of the thread.

pin boy.

Posted by: Andy72

I don't see any reason to not believe this story.

My advice to Muzaneet is to give this woman more time to know you better (and know her better too); if she has not told you about her past relationships especially with other foreign men and especially if they were bad experiences it is understandable.

Instead of inviting her to you I would wait and take another trip to Russia when possible, and I am sure with time she will open up to you more. If she really likes you and 'that' feeling was there, if she looks for love and she is not only waiting someone who would finally marry her, then she will wait you.

My 2 cents...

Ciao for now!

Posted by: GentleGiant

If she was a gold digger wouldnt she have played the "abuse" card on this man?? I understand that is like an automatic green card if the Fuzz and local state officials beleive even 10% of what you tell them. ( Been reading the horror story threads).

On the minus side; it was an AnastasiaWeb do, correct??; they are a bunch of con-artests I wouldnt trust with an empty sweet wrapper.

Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

I just think often times people come in here to poke fun at us Studs who dare to be different.There is only one statue on top of the steps and the Old Russian soldier in green military dress is there on the weekends.If you have been to Odessa you should be able to name the places to eat on Ekaterina and all that.Guys, not every one is truthful on this site ok.I can spot people trying to mess with other peoples minds.Does not matter but I feel you should always call it like you see it and this is what I see here.Long live Ukraine and Russia and Belarus and United States!!

Posted by: Texas Proud

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sammy&Sasha

I just think often times people come in here to poke fun at us Studs who dare to be different.There is only one statue on top of the steps and the Old Russian soldier in green military dress is there on the weekends.If you have been to Odessa you should be able to name the places to eat on Ekaterina and all that.Guys, not every one is truthful on this site ok.I can spot people trying to mess with other peoples minds.Does not matter but I feel you should always call it like you see it and this is what I see here.Long live Ukraine and Russia and Belarus and United States!!

Hmmmmm.... I have been on two trips... the first to Kiev with a side trip to Yalta... the second to St. Pete with trips to Moscow and Viborg... and I can tell you very little about anything if you tried to pin me down.. 1.. I do not remember names of people or places well... it is something that I wish I could do, but it is not there (now, I can remember trivia like crazy... who knew??) 2.. I was more interested in talking and looking at my lady...

So, give the guy a break... if he did not go, it will show up eventually... but just do the innocent until proven guilty..

Posted by: Pin Boy

i ate at the traditional ukrainian restaurant near there at least twice and i can't remember the name and not even sure if i ever knew it. you may good at spotting frauds, but in this case i think it's time for a visit to the eye doctor.

pin boy

Posted by: Muzaneet

To everyone that responded,
I have some closing news about this topic that I will share. But first I want to thank everyone who has given there opinion. I think this website is more valuable than gold ! I will always be on this website asking people their opinion or advice on certain subjects. This was my first time to Ukraine and it was a real eye opener ! I would love to return. I think that RW are the most beautiful.
At first I thought I just had a simple question to post on this website. I did not know it would turn out as popular as it has. The story for which my question came from was true. I really was there, and the woman I met was real. Most people that responded knew that I was new and naive. I think the best phrase used was " One week wonder " It was an accurate description. One that I will never forget. I really listened to everyone who responded. Even the ones who had answers I did not want to read. My story lacked alot of info. and I should of been more detailed in my posting. I apologize to anyone who was confused. I want to thank pin boy who moderated and I only had vodka at 1 cafe. It was the one that was on the corner of 2 streets I don't remember, but end with "skaya " It was the cafe with traditional costumes. My favorite cafe was " the steakhouse " and anything near McDonalds ! The best place to check out the babes !
I went on an Anastasia tour and I met a wonderful woman at my first social. During my time there I had a very romantic vacation with this woman. I will never forget it. And anyone who has been on an Anastasia tour knows what a piece of crap company they are and all their empty promises and lies ! Anyway, I discovered through a RW friend of mine that this woman was on a K1 visa in Feb. and I was angry at first but then I forgave her and my question was " Am I being naive for giving this woman the benefit of the doubt " ? The general consensus was YES !!!!
When I left Odessa I gave this woman $150. When I returned to America I sent her $200 and another $200 2 weeks ago. This woman never asked me for anything. I did this out of the kindness of my heart. 2 days ago she asked me for $300. I refused.I had only been home 34 days! I thought that I was being taken advantage of. ( duh ! ) She was nervous and was trying to convince me without getting angry with my refusal. I ended what I thought was a legitmate relationship. The attorneys that I hired credited my account in full and told me that a real RW will never ask you for a penny ! I hope this is true because I want to go back but only after taking a break and doing my homework. Can anyone suggest a website that they think is the most honest in finding someone sincere and what advice would everyone give me in my 2nd attempt at finding a legitimate RW? Thanks for everyone who put there 2 cents in and I hope I get some great advice from the other members of this forum. I learned a great deal and I know I need to know more about my journey to finding happiness with a RW.
Thank you 1 million times.
Muzaneet

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Try www.elenasmodels.com. I met my fiancee there and many people have used this sight and are please with it. It is a one time fee and that is all you pay.

Posted by: Muzaneet

Thanks for the info. I have been on the site and have debated going on it. It seems legitamite to me.
Thanks

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muzaneet

Thanks for the info. I have been on the site and have debated going on it. It seems legitamite to me.
Thanks

Believe me, it's the best. I've only heard of 1 scammer and they were deleted. Good Luck.

Posted by: Muzaneet

I just joined. Wish me luck !

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Good luck Muzaneet!!! We're always here to answer questions so don't be shy. Stop by The Pit sometime. It is the American meeting place. Any subject is welcome or just a round of bull!!

Posted by: Muzaneet

How do I get to the pit ?

Posted by: GoingToRussia

Here's the address.

http://www.russianmeetingplace.com/...06&goto=newpost

Posted by: bingism

Dude, I am not going to say "I told you so" because that it a crap line.... I'm just really happy that you did not get burned like I did.... well done soldier

Posted by: Muzaneet

Bing,
Your story was a major contributing factor to my decision. You told it like it was and I respect that. Thanks dude !

Posted by: Sammy&Sasha

Ok I am sold now,McDonalds is awesome place to see the finest women in the world. The pearl by the Black Sea.You would have to be there to say that so I believe you now, no big deal.I got lost down on Deribasovskya street one night and had to have the help from some prostitutes to get back to my apartment and once I was there I gave them 15 bucks and said I don't need no service

Remember American woman can and would soak your wallet too so it is what it is!!!Good luck to you my Soldier.....sometimes you have to risk it all to have it all!!

Posted by: waiting123

Muz... sorry how your story ended, I was hoping for better with you! Anastasia just has too many negative issue's and too many people have been burned.

You are in good company here. Feel free to ask any questions, seek advice and keep us posted on your new endeavors.

another site that a friend of mine used was www.allsinglerussiangirls.com , a friend of mine used this site, and while I was in Spb I saw there office and befriended one of the people whom worked there.

I wish you the very best....

Posted by: raed1971

HELLO THERE ...
DID SHE TELL YOU WHO WAS THE FIRST GUY THAT SHE SUPPOSE TO MARRY AND HE DIDNOT SHOW UP ??????........... MAYBE HE FOUND OUT SOMTHING .. I THINK TALKING TO HIM WILL HELP YOU .
THIS IS YOUR LIFE ...... MARRIAGE IS LIFE COMMETMENT
GOOD LUCK