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Avoiding the "grey" characters
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Posted by: bingism

Hi All,

I was thinking of starting a thread to try and come up with a definitive list of things that would suggest that an RW is not all that you think she might be. By this I don't mean scams or scammers etc, but rather those "grey" characters whose desire for a different life involving money and material objects outweighs any "love" they might be professing. IMHO the tell-tale signs may not necessarily involve money, but might just be to do with general character or questions about past / current life.

The reason for this is that I'd like to use my own experiences to do something a little positive and also, this is a subject that normally gets over-whelmed by the focus on the criminal scams.

Examples of what I would include on the list are:

- arranging to speak, but being unavailable without letting you know and without good explanation

- totally overreacting because they did not fully understand a word (eg. you calling them "babe" and they thinking you meant "a little baby"

- continuing to sulk even after you have explained and apologised

- making you apologise for everything (even assuming a 60:40 split it's never all your fault)

- throwing a hissy fit because you decide something is too expensive and thus "insulting" them

- not paying for anything, unless it's for themselves and then telling you "your a man, you must always pay for everything if you're with me"

- not being able to understand that you're not Russian and that there needs to be some balance between cultures in the relationship

I could go on. These are signs of materialistic tendencies of simply of a character that will not be able to cope with the move to a different country. In the interest of fairness and balance, we could also have a thread entitled "Things to Avoid in Western Men", as I'm sure we could offer some good advice to the contingent of RW who read this site (I think we all know a lot about our own bad side and that of others).

So, what do you think? Having now met a lot of "normal" Russian girls, I have had my eyes opened to some of the others.....

Posted by: ham

well, i wrote repeatedly that in my opinion the worst catch aren't obvious scammers trying to pull some visa/accident/illness scam to get your $. Well-informed people can spot them a mile away. The worst catch are good time girls, novelty seekers, visa queens/visa queens apprentices & the like.

Unlike traditional scammers who must "close the deal", others can take plenty of time.
Novelty seekers aren't really interested in "you", but in some transient opportunity you provide (as bland as speaking your language to more concrete like shopping sprees ); good time girls have a new dress or a new car in mind and you are the moolah; visa queens think they are a cut above everybody else and expect you to cater to their needs first class (EG paying for their education ).

These people are not your "everyday's girl at the bread market" kind of woman, but are likely to be "dating professionals"...over time they have honed their skills and raised their expectations.

Posted by: EZE

Some of the indicators you mention may occur during the correspondence phase. But you gain a lot more insight traveling there. It wasn't until then that I realized the economy plan of meeting someone on a two week trip, bringing them to your place, and you will live happily ever after probably isn't such a good idea.

Some additional signs I ran into....

They meet you and bring along a friend, sister, brother etc. And there is also someone along most of the time you are seeing them. They aren't working on getting to know you... but are having a grand time with someone close to them.

They act overjoyed when you present them with a "big" gift, which they probably told you they really needed, but give you only a small smile when it is a thoughtful small gift, that they weren't expecting. If the reverse is true (upset with getting gifts that are too expense, big excitement for being surprised by something thoughtful) you are on to something there.

They tell you there is something they really need, in a subtle way, or gee this would really make me happy. And then pout or sigh until said item shows up.

They are interested in doing the things they really like and don't get to do very often, instead of spending time doing simple things with her family, or what you would like.

They want to meet in Moscow (or better yet, another country) because they have never been there and would like a nice vacation with you.

They are extremely helpful in saving you money, very frugal when it is not something for them.... but are saving you the money so you can spend it on them.

Once you get them here, the biggest signs are who they choose as friends. If they go for the imbedded Russian local community and start asking a lot of questions about welfare, divorce laws.... well, you should be able to figure out where it is headed. Even the good ones will define if you are a decent provider according to their peer group. (they will translate you income into $/hour for quick comparrisons). Part of it is just learning how everything works here. Part of it is also developing their expectations. But take notice how she defines her peer group.

Just my thoughts.

Posted by: ham

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Originally Posted by EZE

Some of the indicators you mention may occur during the correspondence phase. But you gain a lot more insight traveling there. It wasn't until then that I realized the economy plan of meeting someone on a two week trip, bringing them to your place, and you will live happily ever after probably isn't such a good idea.

Some additional signs I ran into....

They meet you and bring along a friend, sister, brother etc. And there is also someone along most of the time you are seeing them. They aren't working on getting to know you... but are having a grand time with someone close to them.

They act overjoyed when you present them with a "big" gift, which they probably told you they really needed, but give you only a small smile when it is a thoughtful small gift, that they weren't expecting. If the reverse is true (upset with getting gifts that are too expense, big excitement for being surprised by something thoughtful) you are on to something there.

They tell you there is something they really need, in a subtle way, or gee this would really make me happy. And then pout or sigh until said item shows up.

They are interested in doing the things they really like and don't get to do very often, instead of spending time doing simple things with her family, or what you would like.

They want to meet in Moscow (or better yet, another country) because they have never been there and would like a nice vacation with you.

They are extremely helpful in saving you money, very frugal when it is not something for them.... but are saving you the money so you can spend it on them.

Once you get them here, the biggest signs are who they choose as friends. If they go for the imbedded Russian local community and start asking a lot of questions about welfare, divorce laws.... well, you should be able to figure out where it is headed. Even the good ones will define if you are a decent provider according to their peer group. (they will translate you income into $/hour for quick comparrisons). Part of it is just learning how everything works here. Part of it is also developing their expectations. But take notice how she defines her peer group.

Just my thoughts.

Dating professionals, visa queens & novelty seekers often take pride in acting as above.
They will solicit vacations in third party resorts/cities "so we can get to know each other at leisure" or bring girlfriends along all the time "so she can translate for me or help me when i don't understand ".
The emphasis is these people are not interested in YOU; of course they can find suitable excuses, EG they don't feel comfortable spending time with you alone...
They are interested in having a good time themselves.
A few reports tell about women who could "entertain" upto 2,3,4 different visiting strangers at once, taking time off under fictitious pretexts such as nursing ill relatives, job duties, unexpected visits or else.
As silly as it sounds, it has happened.
It reaches comedy status when men (many more than let believe) actually support or encourage such "gray" behaviour, EG "It's ok if she stampedes you because she wants ***. After all she's just testing the waters to see how "greedy" you are " or " With all those sick minded sex tourists, it's reasonable she brings a friend along for support at all times and a chivalron like me will of course pay for both " etc.

Posted by: bingism

Sorry - I don't think I explained my term "grey" very well!

I wasn't referring to those who have a formulated plan (professional daters, GCG, etc) more about those who fall between the descriptions. In my case (as most here will know), I don't think Marina was clearly in any particular category, but the combination of past life, perception of a "solution" and general misguided / inappropriate behaviour cost me a LOT of time, emotion and money....

I hope that this thread does not err on the side of scam, rip-off, awful Eastern women - it was not my intention.

Posted by: ham

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Originally Posted by bingism

Sorry - I don't think I explained my term "grey" very well!

I wasn't referring to those who have a formulated plan (professional daters, GCG, etc) more about those who fall between the descriptions. In my case (as most here will know), I don't think Marina was clearly in any particular category, but the combination of past life, perception of a "solution" and general misguided / inappropriate behaviour cost me a LOT of time, emotion and money....

I hope that this thread does not err on the side of scam, rip-off, awful Eastern women - it was not my intention.

outside the boundaries of MOB stereotypes and scams, everything else might happen with your girl next door.
What is "inappropriate" for you might be "smart" for them and what man hasn't in his life showered a woman with his feelings and money and time, only to realize later she had taken him for a ride...had another man...or simply wsn't interested?

Posted by: bingism

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Originally Posted by ham

True, although in my case I came across a character that I can't easily define!

"It was definitely serious interest, but I still can't decide what. It wanted love and was prepared to give it, but only if it was by its own rules. It had a strange set of rules and expectations that were mostly unreasonable and unworkable. It demanded nice objects and possessions and wasn't prepared to work for them. It needed respect but didn't know how to give it. What is it?"

Anyway, may drop this post as no-one seems interested (apart from you and me

). I had a feeling that this subject may attract little attention since most people just think "silly plonker, it would never happen to me...."

Oh well, one tries!

Posted by: ham

scams, frauds & setups do not exist because they are something unheard of...they are pretty much the same...the misleading & crooked ads selling sea monkeys have lots in common with penis pills & MLM junk and are recycled by bank clerks selling you junk shares...the only difference is how much you loose.
They exist because there is a sucker born every minute.
Every day someone wakes up & thinks he's going to ace it, to do it, to get rich quick, to regain sexual vigor, to make 20% net profit overnight or whatever...
The same applies to women.
Some like myself say you can't teach a pig to sing...others think that with dedication & effort, you never know...

Posted by: deccie

Hey Bing,
I didn't see this thread before but I think I can now post a bit on it..

I think you were defintely on track with the big one - "wanting respect but not knowing how to give it". I think that is THE key.

The other one would be just a general atmosphere of self centredness and a lack of emapthy for others.

Some others I can think of:
1. Does she trust your judgement and let you make decisions?

2. How quickly does she launch into the "improvement" phase. Trying to change you in some way.

3. How much does she let you get on with your own thing or at least participate in the things you like to do before you met her. Or must you do what she likes constantly.

4. How much criticism do you get about your personal faults and failings without recognising her own?

5. How many friends does she have outside of you?

6. What is her relationship like with her parents? Particularly the mother.

7. How does she fight? Does she get agressive for seemingly no reason?

8. Does she demand expensive gifts for herself for special days yet give nothing of herself for your own special times. Does she make the choice of gift for you but tell you what to buy for her?

9. Is she consistent? Does she place you in situations where there is NOTHING you can do to satisfy the demands she is making?

That's just some I can rattle off!

Posted by: deccie

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Originally Posted by ham

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They exist because there is a sucker born every minute.

This is where I disagree with you strongly Ham. Sometimes these things happen because people have been hurt themselves and they decide they will not be hurt again even if it is at the expense of someone else.

There are people out there who are just so inept at relationships or just so self centred that they do not recognise when they have hurt someone else.

Posted by: Chrismc

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Originally Posted by deccie

Hey Bing,
I didn't see this thread before but I think I can now post a bit on it..

I think you were defintely on track with the big one - "wanting respect but not knowing how to give it". I think that is THE key.

The other one would be just a general atmosphere of self centredness and a lack of emapthy for others.

Some others I can think of:
1. Does she trust your judgement and let you make decisions?

2. How quickly does she launch into the "improvement" phase. Trying to change you in some way.

3. How much does she let you get on with your own thing or at least participate in the things you like to do before you met her. Or must you do what she likes constantly.

4. How much criticism do you get about your personal faults and failings without recognising her own?

5. How many friends does she have outside of you?

6. What is her relationship like with her parents? Particularly the mother.

7. How does she fight? Does she get agressive for seemingly no reason?

8. Does she demand expensive gifts for herself for special days yet give nothing of herself for your own special times. Does she make the choice of gift for you but tell you what to buy for her?

9. Is she consistent? Does she place you in situations where there is NOTHING you can do to satisfy the demands she is making?

That's just some I can rattle off!

Some good points there Deccie, I can see some of these in a few women I have met over there.

Posted by: deccie

Thanks Chrismc.
Something else I thought of since that is typical of a lot of women but seems to be a trait for this type of girl..

When arguing and you point out an indisputable problem with her argument, does she change the fight to be about something else COMPLETELY different - mid stream!

Or does she try to overwhelm you with multiple different arguments all at the same time!

Does she evade answering some direct questions?

Do you never really know what she thinks on serious or especially spiritiual issues?

Is she openly racist about some group of people and blames them for all her ills in life?

Does she complain constantly about life without recognising that others have it much worse than her?

When you went to visit her, who chose where to visit?

Did expect you to buy her something any time she asked for it?

Does she exhibit selective memory often?

Posted by: joelunchbox

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Originally Posted by bingism

I think we sometimes forget that finding love means having to wade through a lot of people that aren't right for us or that we aren't right for them. the above example sounds like, simply put, a spoiled brat. I know someone who married an american girl. If I were to describe his marriage here, everyone would assume it was an FSU girl putting the screws to him. We forget sometimes that people are people, everywhere. There are spoiled people everywhere, there are nice people everywhere. Yes?
So maybe a grey area person is just someone who isn't right for us but is giving it a go?

Posted by: ham

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Sometimes these things happen because people have been hurt themselves and they decide they will not be hurt again even if it is at the expense of someone else.

There are people out there who are just so inept at relationships or just so self centred that they do not recognise when they have hurt someone else.

while everything might be possible, i do N O T believe such is the norm.
Some say scammers are stood up women exacting revenge upon cruel men...while that might have happened at one time or another, does anyone truly think a majority, or even a sizeable portion of scammers to be stood up brides?
Come on, many scammers are MEN, forget stood up brides!

I read many report of men swindled or taken advantage of by "gray" charachters (=not exactly the visa-travel/accident-distress scammers ) and i couldn't spot -even remotely- the shadow of a stood up bride, or some psychopath living her hallucination without being completely aware of it.
Novelty seekers/good-time girls (the grey charachters) are individuals most often with a sharper sense of reality and of possibility than Pedro, Wong, Barney or Leroy next door...that is how they can take men for a ride.

Being a sucker can happen to everybody...it has happened to me. Awareness is the key. I don't want to be made a fool of A N Y M O R E. Being a sucker means you are the key, you can avoid being taken for a ride. Whether others need spare cash, meal tickets, or psychotheraphy, or both, it's not my problem. Yes, i've dealth with those and i was at one point convinced i would/could/ought to "change them", so i wore my shining armor and battled the windmills.
In the end they saw just a deluded buffoon, and gave me a reality check.

Posted by: freebird

Yes I can add another, this is one of the things I lookmfor in a successful relationship, is the ability to BE HAPPY. My previous GF (ukrainian, living in US had this problem). No matter what I did or the situation was she would always find something wrong with it. eg. If it was an apartment in the city, it was too small, no garden etc. If it was a house in the burbs, it was too remote, too boring etc. Nothing Could Please!!

Posted by: deccie

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Originally Posted by ham

while everything might be possible, i do N O T believe such is the norm.

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Originally Posted by ham

Being a sucker can happen to everybody...it has happened to me. Awareness is the key. I don't want to be made a fool of A N Y M O R E. Being a sucker means you are the key, you can avoid being taken for a ride. Whether others need spare cash, meal tickets, or psychotheraphy, or both, it's not my problem. Yes, i've dealth with those and i was at one point convinced i would/could/ought to "change them", so i wore my shining armor and battled the windmills.

You see Ham, I think the others on the other side of the equation see exactly the same thing. As a result of being determined to not be taken advantage of or being taken for a ride, they miss potential partners that would actually be good for them.

One must remember that not everyone who asks for help - even if it is financial - is out to rip someone else off. They may actually be in a crisis with no where else to turn.

Posted by: ham

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is the ability to BE HAPPY

I read an article opposing wifely to girlfriendish values and charachter.
It made sense.
Whether we admit it or not, girlfriendish charachters/people are the most daring, interesting, unpredictable, stimulating...
Wifeliness goes the opposite way, more "boring" and "routine".
It might be argued both could coincide, and perhaps 1 time in a million they do, but it's not for you, me, Barney and Pedro next door.
As well, women who go the MOB route driven by sullen commodious individualism cannot behave otherwise.

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As a result of being determined to not be taken advantage of or being taken for a ride, they miss potential partners that would actually be good for them.

plenty of fish in the sea.
usually, what is that drives a man towards one among thousands upon thousands of profiles or ads?
Typically, physical appearance; next, some clincher in the profile (EG something she wrote ); third some general framework (eg "christian dating" etc ).
While it's normal, it is equally far fetched to assume there be a god-given anything to it.
Who knows, men might miss a pretty, charming lady only because her photo is poorly lighted, or her profile was cut three lines too short by the agency.
Taking risks is ok...risking too much is foolish.

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One must remember that not everyone who asks for help - even if it is financial - is out to rip someone else off. They may actually be in a crisis with no where else to turn.

hmm
...and in the FSU woman vastly outnumber men; and FSUMs are all abusive unemployed drunkards, etc...highly suspicious.
Elsewhere there is a thread by someone who discovered his FSU cyber-bethroted was engaged in contacts with seventy other men over the internet.
As much as "the knight delivering the virgin" is a charming theme in western literature, from XII century ballads upto Star Wars, it never lives up to reality.
Or if we give credit to bizarre accident/distress schemes, IPSO FACTO we must give credit to equally bizarre 491 schemes about deceased african oil kingpins, whose heirs need your bank account to cash their share of 99 millions.

As a matter of fact, countless men (MYSELF INCLUDED) at one time or another wore their shining armor and tried to deliver the virgin...we all are only poorer (both financially and spiritually) by now and that's it.

Posted by: nocomfortzone

Very interesting thread you started Bing.

Since i joined this forum i learnt all the more regular scenarios of scammers, mail order bride paths that various guys and girls go on and can see all the nightmare possibilties and common traps people can get into by creating some type of friendship based on meeting some person of the opposite sex and from FSU over the internet,

I learnt i'm grateful i never come across Natasha by these usual paths and can see she does not fit any normal profile except being a female, and genuine person. Any relationship you start up at some time as it progresses either one of you is going to hurt the other unintentially because we can't be perfect and know every emotional button another person has developed a sensitivity to from their family upbringing how to be in the world with others and life expierences. That goes for any relationship whether you are both in the same country , speaking the same language or not.
It's all good in the end. Every relationship is unique. That is where the gift is

Posted by: deccie

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Originally Posted by ham

plenty of fish in the sea.
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There are indeed plenty of fish in the sea. Well.. not as much as their used to be anyway. But even so, many fishermen come back with empty nets and /or go bankrupt.

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Originally Posted by ham

usually, what is that drives a man towards one among thousands upon thousands of profiles or ads?
Typically, physical appearance; next, some clincher in the profile (EG something she wrote ); third some general framework (eg "christian dating" etc ).

Absolutely physical is a part of it. and yes, looking for some other compatibility like values or activities or even just a writing style might be enough. i also agree with you that we miss many potential partners because of bad photos.. agencies doing the writing.. and many other factors. but chance plays a part in relationships outside the internet. Chance plays a part here too.

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Originally Posted by ham

Who knows, men might miss a pretty, charming lady only because her photo is poorly lighted, or her profile was cut three lines too short by the agency.
Taking risks is ok...risking too much is foolish.

The chance of that happening many times would be pretty close to a certainty I would think.

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Originally Posted by ham

hmm
...and in the FSU woman vastly outnumber men; and FSUMs are all abusive unemployed drunkards, etc...highly suspicious.

I don't beleive any of that clap trap. it's like the myth that there are less men because of the great patriotic war.

Ham,
I have really enjoyed this post of yours. Thank you for posting your experience. One day I would love to share a beer with you.

Posted by: deccie

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Originally Posted by nocomfortzone

Very interesting thread you started Bing.

Since i joined this forum i learnt all the more regular scenarios of scammers, mail order bride paths that various guys and girls go on and can see all the nightmare possibilties and common traps people can get into by creating some type of friendship based on meeting some person of the opposite sex and from FSU over the internet,

I learnt i'm grateful i never come across Natasha by these usual paths and can see she does not fit any normal profile except being a female, and genuine person. Any relationship you start up at some time as it progresses either one of you is going to hurt the other unintentially because we can't be perfect and know every emotional button another person has developed a sensitivity to from their family upbringing how to be in the world with others and life expierences. That goes for any relationship whether you are both in the same country , speaking the same language or not.
It's all good in the end. Every relationship is unique. That is where the gift is

Thanks for your post too ncz.

Posted by: nocomfortzone

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Originally Posted by bingism

Hi All,

So, what do you think? Having now met a lot of "normal" Russian girls, I have had my eyes opened to some of the others.....

i'd love to have the insights you must have now living in another part of the world. Some girls are going to have materialistic things be of more value to them in life than love. Sad but true, but if your observant and listen to a persons way of talking and being you eventually will get an understanding by their words and actions if they are predominantly a giver or taker. Same with males also.
It is much harder when there is no clear distinction and a person might have one or two issues in life that tend to make them value one aspect of life as more important than another and sacrifice the ideal in one as a trade off on gaining in some other area of life they feel they lack in. Everybody has their own sense of value in life in areas of mental, emotional, physical, material and spiritual. Complex characters are out there in both sexes with different motivations and not neccessarily being & doing all things consciously. The fun and challenging thing is most of us don't even fully understand all our own motivations and desires that makes us do and act the way we do so put two people together and he he, life becomes even more interesting.

Posted by: BradIL

bingism!

After all this time--- I have discovered this thread (via another similar thread), and have read your opening post.

I feel vitalized, refreshed, (God help me) EMPOWERED!

************ BEAUTIFUL! ***************

Russian, American, yadaa-yadaa-yadaa. . . it is * liberating * to see a brother so clearly delineate the travails of a relationship (using the phrase "hissy-fit" earns you BONUS POINTS!).

Well done!

Posted by: GentleGiant

Good thread bing, keep it going.

One pointer I think is suspect is that during the letter writing phase , you write very long letters, but as time goes by, even though she is claiming great interest, her letters get shorter and shorter.

Posted by: freebird

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant2

Good thread bing, keep it going.

One pointer I think is suspect is that during the letter writing phase , you write very long letters, but as time goes by, even though she is claiming great interest, her letters get shorter and shorter.

GG, I think that Bing had said he would retire from the forum, (unless I am mistaken) we'll just have to keep the thread going.

Posted by: freebird

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant2

OOPs Brain freeze - double post!

Posted by: GentleGiant

shh!! I am trying to encourage him to stay (stage whisper)

Bugger!! I think he heard me!!

Posted by: AkMike

Although I respect his reasons to retire I do wish he'd stick around also. He always contributed alot. Even more after he got a job there,on the front line.

Posted by: GentleGiant

In hindsight another big red flag was the continual putting off of meeting mama and papa.

Something that worries about my current GF, she still hasn't told them. Her reasoning is solid though, they are very old and not well, and she does not want to upset them until she is sure; she flys to Dubai in the morning for 3 months and she has not told them that yet either!!!!

Posted by: AkMike

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant2

Something that worries about my current GF, she still hasn't told them. Her reasoning is solid though, they are very old and not well, and she does not want to upset them until she is sure; she flys to Dubai in the morning for 3 months and she has not told them that yet either!!!!

GG2,
I'd be very worried about this "little detail". I might be wrong but I'd say this is a sign of immaturity. Afraid to tell her folks... I was like that with bad report cards.. It makes me wonder if she's a wannabe GTG..
I do hope I'm getting the wrong impression though!

Posted by: GentleGiant

Both of them are very old, papa has been in hospital for much of the time I have been writing to her and is now at home bedridden, effectively waiting to die, the doctors say they can do no more for him; mama has just gone blind in one eye in the last 2 weeks, that is why she delayed going to Dubai, trying to organise an op to attempt to get some vision left, the old girl only has 20% vision in the other eye.

As for telling them about me, I know she has trust issues, so do I, she was in an abusive marriage and then something happened with another man afterwards. She has said she will tell them after our first meeting, perhaps she thinks I will not show ? She certainly seems to be as worried that I will not like her, as I am worried about her not liking me!!!

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant2

As for telling them about me, I know she has trust issues, so do I, she was in an abusive marriage and then something happened with another man afterwards. She has said she will tell them after our first meeting, perhaps she thinks I will not show ? She certainly seems to be as worried that I will not like her, as I am worried about her not liking me!!!

I can relate to this, there is NO WAY I would tell my family about a new girl until I have met her. There is one I have met, an Aussie btw, and they still don't know. Why? well because nothing is happening so why make a fuss about it. If and when something happens the families will be the first to know, then Deccie and then the rest of you.

Signs I have come across are temper tantrums for NO APPARENT REASON, this has happened with an RW, a UW (both in chats) and my ex (another Aussie) in the car, at the dinner table etc etc.

The spending of money, wow women can spend alot. OK here goes. I have been fortunate enough never to have any serious lady ask for money. I have had my ex go to America on my money but she didn't ask for it, "ouch".

Extreme immaturity. This is a strange one because I like to joke around and that can be a cultural thing. However, when someone keeps rattling off the same things all the time as the coolest, sickest, phatest. whatever elsest thing methinks they are way to immature for me. Give me someone who can hold an adult conversation anyday.

Posted by: GentleGiant

Oh dear!! BIG problem for me, I spend all day talking to 2 and 3 year olds!!!

Posted by: OzGuyLooking

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Originally Posted by GentleGiant2

Oh dear!! BIG problem for me, I spend all day talking to 2 and 3 year olds!!!

I 2nd that. Although I work with teens !!!!!!!!

I can take huffing but temper tantrums are another thing and when they start occurring at regular intervals (and I do not mean at a certain time of the month every month) I start thinking its time to

Posted by: Raspberry

I noticed that Russians' English vocabulary uses more "British" words, as opposed to "American" style English. So, you have to take that into consideration, along with the other factors....